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Post by wimbornefan on Apr 4, 2022 12:13:59 GMT
It’s not my job to call James out after games and poor performances and question him, that’s the job of the board and I fully believe that any manager with such a poor record in any standard of football at any other club would have been held accountable by now. Incidentally you state that it made no difference to Merthyr and Dorchester when they changed managers but the Dorchester manager is going to keep them up, and Merthyr were well below us and rock bottom of the table when they changed manager and are now pulling away us from us, despite having a smaller budget than we do now. Next season, I’m not saying we will be bottom of the league below, I certainly hope not, but I also share no confidence that we will bounce straight back up or even make the play off positions with the current management team. Very happy to be proved wrong though! I know it’s not your job but it’s obviously a job you like to point out on here regularly, be man enough and speak to him like many fans do that’s all I’m saying, Of course your confidence is low we’ve not won many games and what’s to say we will next year we don’t know until the season starts. The board have decided James is manager next season they have backed him with finances and non financial help from lees post the other week so let’s put this all to bed and move forward. As I’ve said many times the club have made their decision the 3/4 on here won’t change their mind. I really hope we are top end of the season and would love to see you all on here apologising to the management but I don’t hold me hope to high on you doing that. |
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Post by bob19 on Apr 4, 2022 15:31:46 GMT
Everything being said seems reasonably fair, but lets not get personal with each other....we are after all entitled as season ticket holders to voice opinions. Surely now the effort from all of us is to encourage (even those we feel are not doing too well) in preparation for a fresh start next season.
One question perhaps should be known is what is going to be the make up of the new? board. Is it time very soon for a public members meeting with the board to be? Can we then get some honest answers?
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Post by merleymagpie on Apr 4, 2022 15:47:35 GMT
I do agree with Gemma, if she is of the same position as myself. It's not a personal issue or a vendetta against the manager, so I don't feel like there is a need to have dialogue with the manager as to what the situation is. As I've said, I have no issue on things I don't know any thing about or that are subjective, such has why the job has been difficult, the challenges the the job has thrown up or how much of a good guy James is and I'm pretty sure he has more important things to do, than to talk to me. The only place where James and I meet is the fact the results IMO demand a change of manager in the summer and unfortunately for James he is the manager. That's the long and short of it. In fact it could be said that I have more of an issue with the BOD. James, I'm sure is doing the job the best way he can, however his job role and purpose of employment isn't the global well being and custodianship of Wimborne Town. Where as the BOD have a greater responsibility.
I'm disappointed at your last comment wimbornefan, I am not sure why you think I wouldnt be one of the first on here congratulating James on a promotion campaign. I like to think I have been balanced in my view and backed it up with factual valid statements and kept purely about the results performances and league position. So in the event we are having a victory parade this time next year I will be here offering both you and James my apologies for doubting him.
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Post by wimbornefan on Apr 4, 2022 15:54:17 GMT
This is what I don’t understand though you don’t want James based on the results that have been dished up, they board have kept him on and if we get promoted or are in the play off ends of season you will be congratulating him his staff and the team. Is t that a bit condescending of your thoughts towards his management skills.
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Post by bob19 on Apr 4, 2022 15:56:32 GMT
It’s not my job to call James out after games and poor performances and question him, that’s the job of the board and I fully believe that any manager with such a poor record in any standard of football at any other club would have been held accountable by now. Incidentally you state that it made no difference to Merthyr and Dorchester when they changed managers but the Dorchester manager is going to keep them up, and Merthyr were well below us and rock bottom of the table when they changed manager and are now pulling away us from us, despite having a smaller budget than we do now. Next season, I’m not saying we will be bottom of the league below, I certainly hope not, but I also share no confidence that we will bounce straight back up or even make the play off positions with the current management team. Very happy to be proved wrong though! Couldn't agree more, but I will still be a season ticket holder, as I support my local side! |
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Post by keithelliott on Apr 4, 2022 16:29:50 GMT
a couple of observations about giving the manager an extended contract is in a way you are rewarding failure and secondly it wasnt necessary as no other club was ever going to try and poach him!!also great store is being made of the fact hes a "nice bloke"which of course is good but does that mean that those people would never have wanted alex ferguson as wimborne manager??one slightly worrying note is that "wimbornefan"says hes "brave enough" to speak to the manager so is bravery now required to speak to james ??
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Post by wimbornefan on Apr 4, 2022 16:51:07 GMT
a couple of observations about giving the manager an extended contract is in a way you are rewarding failure and secondly it wasnt necessary as no other club was ever going to try and poach him!!also great store is being made of the fact hes a "nice bloke"which of course is good but does that mean that those people would never have wanted alex ferguson as wimborne manager??one slightly worrying note is that "wimbornefan"says hes "brave enough" to speak to the manager so is bravery now required to speak to james ?? you don’t know if anyone was trying to poach James just as merely doesn’t know the ins and outs of the new deal James has been given, I mean brave enough as in talking to someone personally rather than behind a screen, not brave as in James is going to be mad with them for airing their views |
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Post by merleymagpie on Apr 4, 2022 17:16:03 GMT
This is what I don’t understand though you don’t want James based on the results that have been dished up, they board have kept him on and if we get promoted or are in the play off ends of season you will be congratulating him his staff and the team. Is t that a bit condescending of your thoughts towards his management skills. Im not sure how it's condescending. My thoughts are clear. But ultimately like you said. Nothing is going to change the board for some reason see that there is nobody out there that is better than James and have chosen incredibly to give him a contract so, if after we are relegated we are subsequently promoted why wouldn't I congratulate him. As I keep saying it isn't personal, ultimately my position is just to see the club be well run and successful. Not sure why it's hard to believe I would be happy if James delivered that success or Mick Jagger. |
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Post by wimbornefan on Apr 4, 2022 17:26:31 GMT
This is what I don’t understand though you don’t want James based on the results that have been dished up, they board have kept him on and if we get promoted or are in the play off ends of season you will be congratulating him his staff and the team. Is t that a bit condescending of your thoughts towards his management skills. Im not sure how it's condescending. My thoughts are clear. But ultimately like you said. Nothing is going to change the board for some reason see that there is nobody out there that is better than James and have chosen incredibly to give him a contract so, if after we are relegated we are subsequently promoted why wouldn't I congratulate him. As I keep saying it isn't personal, ultimately my position is just to see the club be well run and successful. Not sure why it's hard to believe I would be happy if James delivered that success or Mick Jagger. We all want the club to be successful, lee has stated on a couple of occasions that the club can’t compare financially and doesn’t have the required infrastructure for this level. So being relegated as horrible as it all is maybe is the best way forward, In regards to James the NEW board might think there is someone else out there but have decided that they will give James a chance on a leveling playing field financially. If it fails then it fails and they part ways, if it’s successful you will all be going what a good decision and we’ll done James and his team. This is the bit I can’t understand . |
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Post by mowerman on Apr 4, 2022 19:32:47 GMT
Opinionated, full of ‘on line’ condemnation of a former committed, talented and very faithful player… who learnt some of his skills from shadowing Matty… entering the ring with frankly one hand tied behind his back… financially… and get real… it was a restricted players budget… But of course not everyone appreciates the real issues that creates. As money becomes available possible players for WTFC weren’t available… But who wants to hear reality, when we can just knock the current management. And when an option to hear this reality.. some would say it’s not their job to search out the man in the hot seat..but just cast aspersions about his ability on this platform. Just incredible… there’s a solution… but hey not for me… We are where we are get used to it… the BOD have given James the support .. but heaven forbid they didn’t consult some of the ‘supporters’… how remiss of them…. In four months time we’ll be looking at friendly games… with James at the helm… You know dissenters have an option… As I’ve mentioned before this site is becoming tiresome.. and now we know those who criticise want to remain anonymous and not face the Manager face to face. Probably says it all…. Let’s get the pitch sorted… need to have a top class playing surface…. and let’s not leave the hosepipe on … 🤪 C’mon everyone.. it’s a game, it’s a local club.. speak with our Graham about real life issues and then reflect on what we are complaining about…
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Post by martinh48 on Apr 5, 2022 11:17:44 GMT
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Post by merleymagpie on Apr 5, 2022 12:10:33 GMT
Mowerman, you seem you have gone off at tangents in your rant which arent particularly accurate. If you are directing your comments at me, I dont think I can be found guilty of anything you are supposedly accusing me of.
For the hundredth time!!
Irrespective of financial constraints and all the issues that causes, the remit as I understand it and which the manager accepted and I believe was confident of achieving was simply STAY UP. Get more points than 3 other teams.
In terms of context, Anything other than that, including why that subsequently became mission impossible, or thinking I have agenda against the man, or suggesting I am taking digs at him in some kind of keyboard warrior style, is all for the birds, and to be honest a distraction from the real and valid issue here.
A manager who in his first full season has guided us to relegation with the lowest performance totals across the board in the league and as a result of this has been handed a new contract. I'm not sure why discussion debate and even criticism in relation to this is so hard for you to fathom or accept. Even wimbornefan who clearly strongly disagrees with my position can at least understand it.
No one here is looking for your acceptance or validation, but as its a club forum, it would be nice that a expression of opinion, however at odds it maybe to your own can be had without you ranting or having a pop.
Let's hope for better times this evening. UTM
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Post by wimbornefan on Apr 5, 2022 12:21:29 GMT
Mowerman, you seem you have gone off at tangents in your rant which arent particularly accurate. If you are directing your comments at me, I dont think I can be found guilty of anything you are supposedly accusing me of. For the hundredth time!! Irrespective of financial constraints and all the issues that causes, the remit as I understand it and which the manager accepted and I believe was confident of achieving was simply STAY UP. Get more points than 3 other teams. In terms of context, Anything other than that, including why that subsequently became mission impossible, or thinking I have agenda against the man, or suggesting I am taking digs at him in some kind of keyboard warrior style, is all for the birds, and to be honest a distraction from the real and valid issue here. A manager who in his first full season has guided us to relegation with the lowest performance totals across the board in the league and as a result of this has been handed a new contract. I'm not sure why discussion debate and even criticism in relation to this is so hard for you to fathom or accept. Even wimbornefan who clearly strongly disagrees with my position can at least understand it. No one here is looking for your acceptance or validation, but as its a club forum, it would be nice that a expression of opinion, however at odds it maybe to your own can be had without you ranting or having a pop. Let's hope for better times this evening. UTM Merely, As you said we don’t always agree but I can confirm I would have like to have seen more wins this season, But we don’t know the remit, we don’t know if it was stated that if the remit wasn’t achieved he would be sacked, the board obviously have a plan going forward and wether you like it or not that includes James. Like I said this time next season you might be saying what a good idea to keep him on. Regardless if we win or lose tonight I’m sure some we will be having the debate again as to why we win and there’s no congratulations or if we lose how much longer can this on on etc. bottom line is James and the new board are here next season let’s get behind the team, not worry about the results the next 5 games and concentrate on next season as I’m sure James and mark are now. Hi Martinh48 welcome to this happy forum. |
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Post by martinh48 on Apr 5, 2022 12:23:21 GMT
Gemma says it is not her place to call out the manager after a game True but what about the players
Dan Bartlett was training with Wimborne pre season and James tried to sign him but Poole Town had more money.
As finance improved we could afford to pay Dan more money. He agreed to come even though we would likely be going down and he knew how James worked
Harry Morgan came from Bashley in my opinion a good signing but under James and Marks training has greatly improved.He has signed for next year even though there were other clubs interested
So this is the opinions of two good players who have committed to the cause and an inept manager!!!
Who would you rather listen to players who work regularly with James or someone who has a problem with him
Martin howard
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Post by wimbornefan on Apr 5, 2022 12:38:45 GMT
Gemma says it is not her place to call out the manager after a game True but what about the players
Dan Bartlett was training with Wimborne pre season and James tried to sign him but Poole Town had more money.
As finance improved we could afford to pay Dan more money. He agreed to come even though we would likely be going down and he knew how James worked
Harry Morgan came from Bashley in my opinion a good signing but under James and Marks training has greatly improved.He has signed for next year even though there were other clubs interested
So this is the opinions of two good players who have committed to the cause and an inept manager!!!
Who would you rather listen to players who work regularly with James or someone who has a problem with him
Martin howard
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