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Post by mowerman on Apr 3, 2022 18:42:12 GMT
I Hi Wimborne Fan….. you make a great comment and in the current circumstance a sense of reality… Thank you to Lee and your team to assist financially.. and bring us down to reality… I hear other clubs.. I.e. Truro have lost their major financial supporter and who knows where the future will take our friends from Cornwall … let’s not go down that road… Just heard Gambo’s interview from Graham, (what a great job he does for us supporters),,, Have to declare I’m a half full type of guy… and feel very positive for the 22/23 season.. don’t let us down James… I know you won’t..
Some guys you won’t win over… but for me I’m behind you all the way… and can’t wait till pre-season and the new season.. for those not in tune with your skills and vision.. Poole, Dorchester are always open to vocal supporters.. (that’ll probably get certain peoples heckles up)… but hey it’s football after all… Keep going James… 😎
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Post by gemma on Apr 3, 2022 19:03:27 GMT
I do find it odd that the default position for so many of you that don’t like our point of view is to tell us to go and watch another team. Surely smaller attendances isn’t going to help boost the revenue streams in order to boost the budget to bring success to the first team, as after all according to most of you, that’s the only thing holding us back.
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Post by wimbornefan on Apr 3, 2022 19:17:41 GMT
I do find it odd that the default position for so many of you that don’t like our point of view is to tell us to go and watch another team. Surely smaller attendances isn’t going to help boost the revenue streams in order to boost the budget to bring success to the first team, as after all according to most of you, that’s the only thing holding us back. your clearly not happy watching the team and have said your not renewing your season ticket already. Fans come and go when teams are playing well, look at Bashley for instance. Getting 250plus as they are winning most weeks so I’m sure the same will happen at Wimborne. As for only needing money yes it’s a massive help, farnbourgh were s**t last season with the same manager, they got good money now and are top 3. How’s that work??? |
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Post by browner on Apr 3, 2022 19:23:21 GMT
I do find it odd that the default position for so many of you that don’t like our point of view is to tell us to go and watch another team. Surely smaller attendances isn’t going to help boost the revenue streams in order to boost the budget to bring success to the first team, as after all according to most of you, that’s the only thing holding us back. your clearly not happy watching the team and have said your not renewing your season ticket already. Fans come and go when teams are playing well, look at Bashley for instance. Getting 250plus as they are winning most weeks so I’m sure the same will happen at Wimborne. As for only needing money yes it’s a massive help, farnbourgh were s**t last season with the same manager, they got good money now and are top 3. How’s that work??? |
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Post by mowerman on Apr 3, 2022 19:50:22 GMT
Browner… it’s late.. Sunday night and the half empty, negative so called supporters… I would say ‘whatever’… Take a chill pill.. and frankly with all the real negative comments… not constructive supportive and forward thinking even those questioning… Really this site is tiresome and if you really believe what you say on this site… go support another team…
Crikey .. you just can’t win with you guys… James.. if you ever read through these comments.. focus on your direction, your mission and frankly acknowledge others have opinions, but don’t reflect ALL supporters…. Up the Magpies.. and here’s to 22/23 season…
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Post by E I Addio on Apr 3, 2022 20:22:45 GMT
To part-quote minstermann's post from yesterday: It didnt help at the Tuesday game when there were less fans but I was told some couldnt get into the car park, the local streets were full and I know for a fact some decided to go back home. What was the problem there?
The man I sat next to on Saturday said he turned up for last Tuesday's game and there was a steward part way down Parmiter Rd, telling drivers the car park was full and they had to try and park in the housing estate roads. He couldnt find anywhere after a brief drive round and went home.
Apparently there is training or call it what you will for young boys on a Tuesday night finishing somewhere approaching 7.30pm so a lot of car parking is taken up by the parents. Fair enough, but why hold training on the same evening as a game? Its crazy having paying spectators turn up only to be told theres no parking and they push off home. Surely the club can appreciate the potential loss here and either move training or mid-week games to Wednesday.
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Post by merleymagpie on Apr 4, 2022 7:50:12 GMT
Mowerman with all you condescending comments you still haven't provided a structured argument based on footballing performance why you think the manager should still be in the job, why he has been given a contract through the entirety of next season and why you belive success is an inevitability next season.
More than happy to have a difference of opinions but if you all you going to do is make patronising passive aggressive remarks regarding my comments and only back them up with speculative assessments, then I think its pretty poor form.
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Post by wimbornefan on Apr 4, 2022 8:16:45 GMT
Mowerman with all you condescending comments you still haven't provided a structured argument based on footballing performance why you think the manager should still be in the job, why he has been given a contract through the entirety of next season and why you belive success is an inevitability next season. More than happy to have a difference of opinions but if you all you going to do is make patronising passive aggressive remarks regarding my comments and only back them up with speculative assessments, then I think its pretty poor form. I believe the games they have won this season and last shows they know what they are doing, away wins at Weston twice, Salisbury, the fa cup runs we haven't had in god knows how many years to bring in much needed money. The changes of systems when needed, the performances against met police, Truro and others. Surely this leads to player’s inability to perform on a consistent basis rather than managers knowledge. I understand going down doesn’t mean we will automatically come back up and again lee states he knows how hard it will be regardless of who’s in charge, look at totton with their budget and a manager who has already won that league. What is it you want James to do differently on match days |
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Post by merleymagpie on Apr 4, 2022 10:27:40 GMT
Wimbornefan, I am sure and indeed I sincerely hope he is doing best and is the hardest working member of staff at the club. Im not criticising his workrate. He's the manager and that's his job. And again it always interpreted as a personal attack and its not. To be clear managers in paid positions get hired and get sacked, it isnt as straight forward as a manager who gets sacked is a bad manager and I've not said James is terrible or can't be successful.
But my frustration in your perspective if you don't mind me saying say so, is the constant references to budgets and players and recruitment. Farnborough for example you rightly say were poor last year now are good that's down to money and the manager is secondary. So if they are successful this year what are we saying? The manager is actually good? Where as the perception is last season he was bad? Given the rumours and background of some of the players they have, some might actually suggest they have underachieved and someone more capable may actually have performed better. But we know in football budget isn't the sole factor in deciding league performance. That's why we love it.
I'm in agreement there is no guarantee that changing manager brings an upturn in form, as you have said Dorchester have actually dropped a couple of places since their change.
However there is a clear and obvious reason why when clubs performances or results don't meet expectations, the manager is changed. That's not my opinion ,that's a fact of the game. And to break it down, I'm not a manager or a coach, I don't know what the manager does or doesn't do, but ultimately all the caveats you have mentioned from budgets, to players not being good enough, to players getting silly money elsewhere, to suspensions and all the rest, in my opinion and in football traditionally so are the responsibility and remit of the manager and when these things have an adverse effect on results, then someone unfortunately or not, needs to be held accountable and that's the manager.
It's my opinion that other than familiarity and being comfortable, the board have no other reason to award the manager a new contract, I've said many times no one has yet made a compelling argument based on his performance as to why this has happened.
You've asked what I would like him to do?? It's pretty simple win more matches and not get us relegated. However that happens, however that looks, that was the job and personally that's all I was ever expecting him to do.
I totally understand those of you who don't like to see the manager being criticised and those of you who just want to sit in hope of better days, I guess we have different expectations, but I reiterate to suggest there is not someone who can possible have done or done more with this and club is naive and to lumber ourselves with a financial obligation to a manager who has failed his sole objective to me is and always be bad business.
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Post by wimbornefan on Apr 4, 2022 10:37:33 GMT
Wimbornefan, I am sure and indeed I sincerely hope he is doing best and is the hardest working member of staff at the club. Im not criticising his workrate. He's the manager and that's his job. And again it always interpreted as a personal attack and its not. To be clear managers in paid positions get hired and get sacked, it isnt as straight forward as a manager who gets sacked is a bad manager and I've not said James is terrible or can't be successful. But my frustration in your perspective if you don't mind me saying say so, is the constant references to budgets and players and recruitment. Farnborough for example you rightly say were poor last year now are good that's down to money and the manager is secondary. So if they are successful this year what are we saying? The manager is actually good? Where as the perception is last season he was bad? Given the rumours and background of some of the players they have, some might actually suggest they have underachieved and someone more capable may actually have performed better. But know in football budget isn't the sole factor in deciding league performance. That's why we love it. I'm in agreement there is no guarantee that changing manager brings an upturn in form, as you have said Dorchester have actually dropped a couple of places since their change. However their is a clear and obvious reason why when clubs performances or results don't meet expectations, the manager is changed. That's not my opinion ,that's a fact of the game. And to break it down, I'm not a manager or a coach I don't know what the manager does or doesn't do, but ultimately all the caveats you have mentioned from budgets, to players not being good enough, to players getting silly money elsewhere to suspensions and all the rest, to my knowledge, at least from the outside looking in, are the responsibility and remit of the manager and when these things have an adverse effect on results, then someone unfortunately or not, needs to be held accountable and that's the manager. It's my opinion that other than familiarity and being comfortable the board have no other reason to award the manager a new contract, I've said many times no one has yet made a compelling argument based on his performance as to why this has happened. You've asked what I would like him to do?? It's pretty simple win more matches and not get us relegated. However that happens, however that looks, that was the job and personally that's all I was ever expecting him to do. I totally understand those of you who don't like to see the manager being criticised and those of you who just wantto sit on hope of better days, I guess we have different expectations, but I reiterate to suggest there is not someone who can possible have done or done more with this and club is naive and to lumber ourselves with a financial obligation to a manager who has failed his sole objective to me is and always be bad business. Valid points from both of us I think, but how can you guarantee a new manager will do any better? How can you guarantee a manager would have kept us up? As for Farnborough yes they may have under archived looking at the players they brought in, but my point is correct that with the much added money thay have gone from second bottom last season to second top this so money is a massive part of non league football unfortunately. |
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Post by merleymagpie on Apr 4, 2022 11:09:52 GMT
Far from it wimbornefan, I honestly don't think there was or is a guarantee, let's say for example if we had mirrored Dorchesters performance this season, I doubt I would have been vocal, I certaintly would not have been asking for the manager to be changed like they did. We clearly as a club had different objectives.
But a lot of us predicted this outcome from the start of winter, just based on what we had seen. That's not hindsight, it was opinion based on what we were seeing just like you thought when the budget was increased we would improve based on what you were seeing. I'm not a expert, its just certain things led me to my opinion, maybe that's because I don't have a relationship with him and I don't know the amount of work he does, I was purely basing it on what I was seeing on the pitch.
Now when the new board came in, even though I said there should have been a change at that point, I can at least see why you would persevere with him. Because there is no guarantee. But honestly now, it's in all likelihood we are going to finish bottom, currently with a budget and facility better than or equal to lot of the league apparently, and we are applauding the work the manager has done in the circumstances and looking forward to success he's going to deliver next season, Come on! At the very least before a new contract was agreed. Mr Merrifield or whoever should have had an end of season review, and assess what the options are. The reality is its the boards job to ensure they have the best person they can possibly have to do the job, there are a lot of managers out there and it's up to them to find the one who covers enough of their criteria to ensure they give us the best chance of achieving our objectives. It didn't, I dont believe, happen with the last two appointments and look how it's turned out. But that's their job and responsibility. And if they honestly do feel we are in that position currently with James in charge, then surely you and they can understand why that will and continue to draw scrutiny.
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Post by wimbornefan on Apr 4, 2022 11:22:13 GMT
My relationship with James is that I spoke to him as a player regularly and have continued to do so since he took over as manager. He as Barry channon mentioned is very honest in his summery of the budget, players, games.
Have you ever spoke to him personally, do you know what the budget was at the start of the season and what it was up to when the new board came in, as lee said when they took over it looked as if it was to late for anything to change then so why change the manager, what will you be saying if they get a good team together and they are top 3/4 at Christmas? Would that have been a good decision to keep them then? We don’t know what the future brings or the team they could build with a better budget at the start of the season. Is their a release cause in the contract you keep mentioning that they leave for free if it’s not working out, none of us know the ins and outs of the deal
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Post by gemma on Apr 4, 2022 11:56:19 GMT
My relationship with James is that I spoke to him as a player regularly and have continued to do so since he took over as manager. He as Barry channon mentioned is very honest in his summery of the budget, players, games. Have you ever spoke to him personally, do you know what the budget was at the start of the season and what it was up to when the new board came in, as lee said when they took over it looked as if it was to late for anything to change then so why change the manager, what will you be saying if they get a good team together and they are top 3/4 at Christmas? Would that have been a good decision to keep them then? We don’t know what the future brings or the team they could build with a better budget at the start of the season. Is their a release cause in the contract you keep mentioning that they leave for free if it’s not working out, none of us know the ins and outs of the deal And there you have it, confirmed what I’ve been saying all along which is that most of you who are supporting James are doing so because you have a personal relationship/friendship with him and because he’s a nice guy, which he is no doubt, this has never been a personal vendetta against him despite my criticism of his football management ability. My worry is Wimbornefan is that the board of directors previously and current have given him a contact based on the same thing and not because he’s the best man for the job, because as Merley has stated previously there really is no football argument that suggests he’s going to turn things round currently, the results and performances are right there in front of you. |
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Post by wimbornefan on Apr 4, 2022 12:00:33 GMT
My relationship with James is that I spoke to him as a player regularly and have continued to do so since he took over as manager. He as Barry channon mentioned is very honest in his summery of the budget, players, games. Have you ever spoke to him personally, do you know what the budget was at the start of the season and what it was up to when the new board came in, as lee said when they took over it looked as if it was to late for anything to change then so why change the manager, what will you be saying if they get a good team together and they are top 3/4 at Christmas? Would that have been a good decision to keep them then? We don’t know what the future brings or the team they could build with a better budget at the start of the season. Is their a release cause in the contract you keep mentioning that they leave for free if it’s not working out, none of us know the ins and outs of the deal And there you have it, confirmed what I’ve been saying all along which is that most of you who are supporting James are doing so because you have a personal relationship/friendship with him and because he’s a nice guy, which he is no doubt, this has never been a personal vendetta against him despite my criticism of his football management ability. My worry is Wimbornefan is that the board of directors previously and current have given him a contact based on the same thing and not because he’s the best man for the job, because as Merley has stated previously there really is no football argument that suggests he’s going to turn things round currently, the results and performances are right there in front of you. I’m just saying I’m brave enough to talk to him, you and merely are clearly not and vent your anger behind a screen. Yes results haven’t been good enough I’m not saying they have I’m just saying how with better players do you know next season won’t be better?? You speak as if we will be bottom of the league below if we keep James |
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Post by gemma on Apr 4, 2022 12:08:01 GMT
It’s not my job to call James out after games and poor performances and question him, that’s the job of the board and I fully believe that any manager with such a poor record in any standard of football at any other club would have been held accountable by now.
Incidentally you state that it made no difference to Merthyr and Dorchester when they changed managers but the Dorchester manager is going to keep them up, and Merthyr were well below us and rock bottom of the table when they changed manager and are now pulling away us from us, despite having a smaller budget than we do now.
Next season, I’m not saying we will be bottom of the league below, I certainly hope not, but I also share no confidence that we will bounce straight back up or even make the play off positions with the current management team. Very happy to be proved wrong though!
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