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Post by Barry Channon on Mar 13, 2022 12:48:57 GMT
I take it you went to Merthyr today to see the game therefor can speak about the performance of the team, I hear Dorset hammer and Barry Channon attend most away games so would be interesting to hear their views on the game/card/performance Does that change the result then? Are you saying that it doesn’t matter if we lose every single week as long as we played ok? Genma your name came up at the ground yesterday everyone trying to work out who’s behind all these comments as some are made as if you were at the game ! Yesterdays first half was very encouraging the team played as a unit which we haven’t seen for a few weeks, then the Red card which non of us can comment on as it was up the other end unfortunately, subs where made then the problems started !! |
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Post by welshwingwizard on Mar 13, 2022 13:56:39 GMT
Does that change the result then? Are you saying that it doesn’t matter if we lose every single week as long as we played ok? What I’m saying is did you go to the game? Did you see if the lads played well or not? The manager again looks like he’s been let down by player errors not being pulled apart. I would imagine after lees post players will be in the next week or so so we will probably loose every game if we’re playing the dev lads, also from lees post if we can’t compete financially or we don’t have the infrastructure then yes we may as well loose and go down. anyway doesn’t matter as your not coming back next season are you. Obviously not a very loyal supporter, have one incredibly tough season in the highest league we’ve ever been in and against big strong teams and you jump ship Lose not loose. |
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Post by Barry Channon on Mar 13, 2022 15:26:39 GMT
Well it’s nice to see that you find the situation so 😂 funny, it says it all really. And my apologies for not noticing the huge upturn in form and performances since the takeover, maybe the missing 180 on the gate last Tuesday have missed it too despite your predictions that keeping the manager would have no effect (and that was before watching the rubbish on the night) When the takeover was announced on the 30th November we had 7 points and since then 4 and a half months later we have gained a further 8 points and been knocked out of all cups we were still in. That’s despite the better players that have been brought in with an increased budget, if you think that’s progress then good for you. Until the new board has full control at the club the arguments are unfortunately irrelevant, the football hasn’t been great no arguments about that, players have been signed who unfortunately haven’t been good enough but that was all that was available at the time, people make decisions that sometimes work out and sometimes they don’t, unfortunately for us we are at the bottom of the table for a reason ! |
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Post by wimbornefan on Mar 13, 2022 16:29:12 GMT
Well it’s nice to see that you find the situation so 😂 funny, it says it all really. And my apologies for not noticing the huge upturn in form and performances since the takeover, maybe the missing 180 on the gate last Tuesday have missed it too despite your predictions that keeping the manager would have no effect (and that was before watching the rubbish on the night) When the takeover was announced on the 30th November we had 7 points and since then 4 and a half months later we have gained a further 8 points and been knocked out of all cups we were still in. That’s despite the better players that have been brought in with an increased budget, if you think that’s progress then good for you. Until the new board has full control at the club the arguments are unfortunately irrelevant, the football hasn’t been great no arguments about that, players have been signed who unfortunately haven’t been good enough but that was all that was available at the time, people make decisions that sometimes work out and sometimes they don’t, unfortunately for us we are at the bottom of the table for a reason ! Agree the old board need to step aside for the new board to at they want and how they want, agreed I’m sure a lot of those players probably Weber James first or even second choice options. Do you mean decisions regarding the players signed, budget that was available or the manager who was picked to lead the team? |
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Post by merleymagpie on Mar 13, 2022 19:58:53 GMT
Well it’s nice to see that you find the situation so 😂 funny, it says it all really. And my apologies for not noticing the huge upturn in form and performances since the takeover, maybe the missing 180 on the gate last Tuesday have missed it too despite your predictions that keeping the manager would have no effect (and that was before watching the rubbish on the night) When the takeover was announced on the 30th November we had 7 points and since then 4 and a half months later we have gained a further 8 points and been knocked out of all cups we were still in. That’s despite the better players that have been brought in with an increased budget, if you think that’s progress then good for you. Until the new board has full control at the club the arguments are unfortunately irrelevant, the football hasn’t been great no arguments about that, players have been signed who unfortunately haven’t been good enough but that was all that was available at the time, people make decisions that sometimes work out and sometimes they don’t, unfortunately for us we are at the bottom of the table for a reason ! How is this relevant? |
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Post by dorsethammer on Mar 14, 2022 13:50:04 GMT
So as someone mentioned in an earlier post I was at the Merthyr game on Saturday. I have been to the majority of games (home and away) apart from a Covid instance and a holiday.
The word apathy was used earlier but as Barry stated this was not evident from the players or from the management team. In actual fact there was a sense of anticipation and belief that the game was their to be won. The disappointment showed by the players and management alike after the game showed they cared, are fighting and is what will continue me to travel to all games possible for the remainder of the season.
It is possible that realism was mistaken for apathy. For all the glass half full supporters who held a belief that we would get out of this I think the result on Saturday changed this.
In respect of the game we were the better team in the first half. The new addition in defence seemed to add a strength and was constantly organising our boys and left most there confident of a good second half. As I put on Twitter the game changed by the red card. This in my opinion is not a management error. It was not a discipline error either. The whole last man tackle is pure instinct. I doubt whether any defender would not commit to a tackle in case of missing it and getting sent off and just let the attacker take his chance one on one with the keeper. Make the tackle and you are a hero. Make the foul and you potentially lose a goal and cost the team for the rest of the game. As it happened here the tackle was missed, they scored from the free kick with an excellent shot and yet again we were on the back foot.
In terms of management, the BOD I am firmly n the camp that we reset next year. The current management have been given the opportunity to start from a level playing field with a fully committed new BOD without the shackles of the past so they have my support moving forward.
Clearly this is not the view of some which I will respect as we are all entity to our views. I will however ask people to consider why if as some people seem to say the current management are not good enough why the players they consider are the best have already signed up for next year (Harry and Ben for example) in the knowledge that the management is still there. As a player would you sign if you thought the management were rubbish. I wouldn’t!
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Post by Barry Channon on Mar 14, 2022 15:06:22 GMT
So as someone mentioned in an earlier post I was at the Merthyr game on Saturday. I have been to the majority of games (home and away) apart from a Covid instance and a holiday. The word apathy was used earlier but as Barry stated this was not evident from the players or from the management team. In actual fact there was a sense of anticipation and belief that the game was their to be won. The disappointment showed by the players and management alike after the game showed they cared, are fighting and is what will continue me to travel to all games possible for the remainder of the season. It is possible that realism was mistaken for apathy. For all the glass half full supporters who held a belief that we would get out of this I think the result on Saturday changed this. In respect of the game we were the better team in the first half. The new addition in defence seemed to add a strength and was constantly organising our boys and left most there confident of a good second half. As I put on Twitter the game changed by the red card. This in my opinion is not a management error. It was not a discipline error either. The whole last man tackle is pure instinct. I doubt whether any defender would not commit to a tackle in case of missing it and getting sent off and just let the attacker take his chance one on one with the keeper. Make the tackle and you are a hero. Make the foul and you potentially lose a goal and cost the team for the rest of the game. As it happened here the tackle was missed, they scored from the free kick with an excellent shot and yet again we were on the back foot. In terms of management, the BOD I am firmly n the camp that we reset next year. The current management have been given the opportunity to start from a level playing field with a fully committed new BOD without the shackles of the past so they have my support moving forward. Clearly this is not the view of some which I will respect as we are all entity to our views. I will however ask people to consider why if as some people seem to say the current management are not good enough why the players they consider are the best have already signed up for next year (Harry and Ben for example) in the knowledge that the management is still there. As a player would you sign if you thought the management were rubbish. I wouldn’t! Well said Rich absolutely spot on 👍🖤🤍⚽️ |
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Post by bob19 on Mar 14, 2022 15:11:40 GMT
I agree with many of the comments and disagree with others.
I was at Merthyr, I was also at New Cuthbury on Tuesday against Yate (0 -5). As I am at all our games, home and away, I think I'm
right to voice my opinion, so I try to be constructive even after a somewhat trying season.
The question needs to be asked in three ways; 1) Is the Manager doing all he can (within budget restraints) to improve the team
2) Will it help the team (and club) by changing Manager at this stage of the season 3) Would you even get a Manager to take over at this
stage of the season, that's not currently involved elsewhere?
Personally I can't see the point of changing or trying to change a Manager at this stage. Maybe we should be trying some more of our reserve team players
in the first team?
This is a very difficult league, no one can argue that fact, but will we be any better next season if we don't start making serious decisions now.
Looking forward to anyones comments (sensible ones please).
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Post by Barry Channon on Mar 14, 2022 15:25:02 GMT
I agree with many of the comments and disagree with others. I was at Merthyr, I was also at New Cuthbury on Tuesday against Yate (0 -5). As I am at all our games, home and away, I think I'm right to voice my opinion, so I try to be constructive even after a somewhat trying season. The question needs to be asked in three ways; 1) Is the Manager doing all he can (within budget restraints) to improve the team 2) Will it help the team (and club) by changing Manager at this stage of the season 3) Would you even get a Manager to take over at this stage of the season, that's not currently involved elsewhere? Personally I can't see the point of changing or trying to change a Manager at this stage. Maybe we should be trying some more of our reserve team players in the first team? This is a very difficult league, no one can argue that fact, but will we be any better next season if we don't start making serious decisions now. Looking forward to anyones comments (sensible ones please). I was also at the games which have been a hard watch for all supporters, With Dan, Ben and Harry all signed up for next season this is a great start for next season, if we see more players of this quality then it’s going to be great supporting Wimborne, the new centre back is exactly what’s needed such a shame he couldn’t have been with us four weeks earlier, I’m also in the opinion that we should keep the managers and coaching staff let them have a clean start next season see what happens. |
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Post by bob19 on Mar 14, 2022 16:16:07 GMT
Agree, because I spoke with James at Merthyr after the game and I can assure you he cares. Quite suprised me at how low he felt. Genuinely.
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Post by Barry Channon on Mar 14, 2022 17:57:27 GMT
Agree, because I spoke with James at Merthyr after the game and I can assure you he cares. Quite suprised me at how low he felt. Genuinely. I did the same just before his interview with Graham, no one likes losing the way we are at the moment it’s no fun for anyone. |
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Post by bezza on Mar 14, 2022 19:40:42 GMT
It's good to get some measured comments from some of our most die hard fans and 100% agree that changing the manager now won't achieve anything. This season has been shocking on so many levels and for me the frustration is more that there was a budget cut to coincide with the move to the new ground. As someone who represents the average regular but not die hard home and away fan I'm just interested in why the budget was so low now compared with 2018-20 when we were competitive in the league and beat the likes of Harrow, Walton, Weston and even Farnborough (last season under James ironically). Was it simply the ground move that exhausted funds? I only ask because I thought we did a deal with Wyatt on this where we sold Cuthbert and they built the ground. It just seems that compared with other lower supported clubs like harrow we went backwards massively this season. Any insights on this from those close to the day to day of the club, welcome! I'm actually looking forward to next season as I intend visiting new ground s. In the meantime I will continue to do home matches and ground hop around Dorset on other saturdays! We're all fans though at the end of the day.
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Post by wimbornefan on Mar 14, 2022 20:05:51 GMT
It's good to get some measured comments from some of our most die hard fans and 100% agree that changing the manager now won't achieve anything. This season has been shocking on so many levels and for me the frustration is more that there was a budget cut to coincide with the move to the new ground. As someone who represents the average regular but not die hard home and away fan I'm just interested in why the budget was so low now compared with 2018-20 when we were competitive in the league and beat the likes of Harrow, Walton, Weston and even Farnborough (last season under James ironically). Was it simply the ground move that exhausted funds? I only ask because I thought we did a deal with Wyatt on this where we sold Cuthbert and they built the ground. It just seems that compared with other lower supported clubs like harrow we went backwards massively this season. Any insights on this from those close to the day to day of the club, welcome! I'm actually looking forward to next season as I intend visiting new ground s. In the meantime I will continue to do home matches and ground hop around Dorset on other saturdays! We're all fans though at the end of the day. My understanding of it was we never got any money for cuthbury just a new ground built, the new grounds running costs are more, the budget from what I’ve been told is the same as last season but majority of other clubs, farnborough a prime example have shot through the roof and our hasn’t moved. |
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Post by Barry Channon on Mar 14, 2022 21:08:00 GMT
It's good to get some measured comments from some of our most die hard fans and 100% agree that changing the manager now won't achieve anything. This season has been shocking on so many levels and for me the frustration is more that there was a budget cut to coincide with the move to the new ground. As someone who represents the average regular but not die hard home and away fan I'm just interested in why the budget was so low now compared with 2018-20 when we were competitive in the league and beat the likes of Harrow, Walton, Weston and even Farnborough (last season under James ironically). Was it simply the ground move that exhausted funds? I only ask because I thought we did a deal with Wyatt on this where we sold Cuthbert and they built the ground. It just seems that compared with other lower supported clubs like harrow we went backwards massively this season. Any insights on this from those close to the day to day of the club, welcome! I'm actually looking forward to next season as I intend visiting new ground s. In the meantime I will continue to do home matches and ground hop around Dorset on other saturdays! We're all fans though at the end of the day. My understanding of it was we never got any money for cuthbury just a new ground built, the new grounds running costs are more, the budget from what I’ve been told is the same as last season but majority of other clubs, farnborough a prime example have shot through the roof and our hasn’t moved. most of these issues were addressed and answered at the last Fans forum, The running costs of the club house side of the business would definitely be more than the old ground, the first team playing budget was set far too low by the old bod and the main issue was the poor quality of the pitch, The questions that’s still to be answered, as a club we have such a big youth section with age group teams, Development teams and Btec Academy teams where does all the money generated from this side of the business go as we probably have one of the best set ups in non league football at this level with hundreds of children and parents going through the gates on a weekly basis this must generate substantial funds for the club to benefit from. |
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Post by gemma on Mar 14, 2022 21:08:38 GMT
Evening all, some good points of view on here as usual and well done to all those that travelled to Merthyr, that’s a long trip and genuinely that’s a fantastic effort going all that way to give support.
Just a couple of questions if I may to those that may be in the know?
- Why was our budget decreased or kept the same and not high enough to compete due to the stadium move? I appreciate that we didn’t get any money for the old Cuthbury but we were given a fantastic brand new facility that should be generating more income than the old facilities in previous seasons. I know that is something the new board want to build on, but does the clubhouse not bring in more by being open all week, events, roast dinners etc, we should bringing in a significant income from renting out the 3G pitch during the week? And also it’s the first year we’ve run the academy which isn’t cheap to sign up for, does that not bring in any profit either? Crowds were also well up on previous seasons at the start of the season as people came to visit the new facility
- Secondly, I appreciate that we can’t compete financially with the likes of Farnborough but where do we stand compared to the teams around us, Merthyr, Dorchester etc. many teams in our league have lower crowds than we do. I’m not expecting confidential figures to be shared here but are we equal budget, 10% less, 50% less?
Also as Barry mentioned in a previous post, we are all passionate fans here. I know that I do not always endear myself to people on here when I question the manager, whom some of you are fiercely loyal to, but we do all have a common cause and passion and like yourselves I do genuinely want the club and team to thrive.
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