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Post by gemma on Feb 27, 2022 14:34:12 GMT
As I’ve been saying for weeks, this manager is not good enough and is completely out of his depth, and I don’t think it would matter what budget he’s working with and what league we are in next season. The players/team have not improved week after week despite work on the training ground and he seems completely unable to motivate them. All this nonsense about the budget and not having the tools at the start of the season is beginning to wear thin given that the team has actually got worse in the second half of the season.
When I read Graham’s report, and his reports are extremely accurate, fair and unbiased and it starts by saying the following;
When the fans of the team sitting just one place above the relegation zone start chanting "Can we play you every week?" then you know that your team is having a bad day at the office. - For me that tells me everything there is to know about how bad we were, again!!
It’s mad that he’s even still in the job but even worse that he’s been given a contract for next season and sadly when we go down, I do not have any faith that we’ll be challenging to come back up next season whilst he’s in charge.
I don’t think that anything we say is going to change ‘Wimborne fan’ mind which is fine as they are entitled to their opinion, however my genuine question to the board is when is enough enough? If we lose every game between now and the end of the season will you STILL think that Stokoe is the man for the job?
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Post by merleymagpie on Feb 27, 2022 14:37:16 GMT
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We can go back and forth all day with this, I’m in support of the clubs new board and management and you clearly are not, that’s fine and we’re both allowed our opinions.
What I don’t get is wanted the management changed at Christmas, if another manager came in and didn’t keep them up with the increased budget and new voices in the changing room with them accepting to try and keep them up, do they then get the sack at the end of the season as well? And then if we go down and we want promotion and another new manager doesn’t achieve that we sack them to I guess?
The board have decided they want in lee words stability, lee and the new board are the ones that make them calls not you or I, and I don’t want to upset you again but you either like it and get behind the team and management or you don’t. [/quote]
This is a good question and valid. My answer and what I would have done is quite simple.
Let's be honest it's clubs who are at the bottom of the league who are more likely to change managers so it's not uncommon practice or an unusual course of action.
I would have given James until Janauary. By this point it seemed apparent so we would be relegated.
So to me there was more upside than downside in changing the manager and seeing what's out there. I would then look to make an appointment, unless it was a outstanding candidate until the end of the season and review performance at that point.
You are definately right it's possible it wouldn't have made a difference and results may not have significantly improved but at least going into next season the board would have a blank canvas and potentially appoint manager current manager or get one they admire rather one that they inherited who with the greatest respect hasn't demonstrated any reason other than playing for the club, being a nice guy and having a personal relationship with the board that he can take th club forward. And this is what is leading to my concern as what the boards priorities are going forward.
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Post by wimbornefan on Feb 27, 2022 14:45:49 GMT
We can go back and forth all day with this, I’m in support of the clubs new board and management and you clearly are not, that’s fine and we’re both allowed our opinions. What I don’t get is wanted the management changed at Christmas, if another manager came in and didn’t keep them up with the increased budget and new voices in the changing room with them accepting to try and keep them up, do they then get the sack at the end of the season as well? And then if we go down and we want promotion and another new manager doesn’t achieve that we sack them to I guess? The board have decided they want in lee words stability, lee and the new board are the ones that make them calls not you or I, and I don’t want to upset you again but you either like it and get behind the team and management or you don’t. [/quote] This is a good question and valid. My answer and what I would have done is quite simple. Let's be honest it's clubs who are at the bottom of the league who are more likely to change managers so it's not uncommon practice or an unusual course of action. I would have given James until Janauary. By this point it seemed apparent so we would be relegated. So to me there was more upside than downside in changing the manager and seeing what's out there. I would then look to make an appointment, unless it was a outstanding candidate until the end of the season and review performance at that point. You are definately right it's possible it wouldn't have made a difference and results may not have significantly improved but at least going into next season the board would have a blank canvas and potentially appoint manager current manager or get one they admire rather one that they inherited who with the greatest respect hasn't demonstrated any reason other than playing for the club, being a nice guy and having a personal relationship with the board that he can take th club forward. And this is what is leading to my concern as what the boards priorities are going forward. [/quote] So what your saying is what I put, if you were the board you would have sacke James in January, appointed someone until end of season then re appointed a new manager in the summer m, so 4 managers including danny since he was sacked for being incompetent and lying to the board. That’s not going to get the club anywhere. There is by the clubs own admission more money available next season, if we go down and I don’t disagree it’s very hard to see anything other than that, why can’t we get better players in in the lower league like totton have and have a good go at it. James has shown he can attract good players like, Dan strugnell, who I know Matty wanted and couldn’t get, a non league England international in Keaton, Gerrard to come back. Dan Bartlett to leave poole to come to us. He’s obviously got something to attract players and if we can get this players to come and have more money to get other players at the same time to build a stronger side. Why couldn’t we do well in the league below??? Also look at the staff Matty had, He was full time, had danny, Shane, macey, Walshy, and Matt Maybury, plus someone scouting for them because they had Breyer resources to pay for this James has had himself, mark, macey and Matt Maybury. |
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Post by wimbornefan on Feb 27, 2022 14:46:26 GMT
As I’ve been saying for weeks, this manager is not good enough and is completely out of his depth, and I don’t think it would matter what budget he’s working with and what league we are in next season. The players/team have not improved week after week despite work on the training ground and he seems completely unable to motivate them. All this nonsense about the budget and not having the tools at the start of the season is beginning to wear thin given that the team has actually got worse in the second half of the season. When I read Graham’s report, and his reports are extremely accurate, fair and unbiased and it starts by saying the following; When the fans of the team sitting just one place above the relegation zone start chanting "Can we play you every week?" then you know that your team is having a bad day at the office. - For me that tells me everything there is to know about how bad we were, again!! It’s mad that he’s even still in the job but even worse that he’s been given a contract for next season and sadly when we go down, I do not have any faith that we’ll be challenging to come back up next season whilst he’s in charge. I don’t think that anything we say is going to change ‘Wimborne fan’ mind which is fine as they are entitled to their opinion, however my genuine question to the board is when is enough enough? If we lose every game between now and the end of the season will you STILL think that Stokoe is the man for the job? Why don’t you apply for the job Gemma your obviously qualified for it and know who is and isn’t good enough. |
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Post by hoofitout on Feb 27, 2022 15:35:04 GMT
Agree with Barry on this. We are worse now than at the beginning of the season. This points to the recent additions since November not being of the quality or attitude needed. Couldnt go yesterday due to having Covid but I’m not surprised by the loss. I feel the new season will need a clean sweep including management. Another pointless comment on this forum as you know they have been given a new contract so no new management. Just new players |
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Post by hoofitout on Feb 27, 2022 15:36:48 GMT
Another pointless comment on this forum as you know they have been given a new contract so no new management. Just new players Many thanks for this constructive comment. |
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Post by wimbornefan on Feb 27, 2022 15:38:04 GMT
Many thanks for this constructive comment. Constructive in your eyes or not, is it not the truth??? |
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Post by hoofitout on Feb 27, 2022 15:48:51 GMT
Many thanks for this constructive comment. Constructive in your eyes or not, is it not the truth??? This is a forum. A place for opinions. Simply putting forward mine. You might think it pointless. That’s fine. |
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Post by wimbornefan on Feb 27, 2022 15:52:51 GMT
Constructive in your eyes or not, is it not the truth??? This is a forum. A place for opinions. Simply putting forward mine. You might think it pointless. That’s fine. Correct it is a forum and you can post what you want, The only people’s who’s options matter at the board and they are the one who’s decided to stick with the management So again I go back to my pointless comment about changing manager, the 5 of you on here that don’t want james here anymore, the other 340 that attend obviously don’t have a problem with it. |
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Post by welshwingwizard on Feb 27, 2022 15:56:11 GMT
I have to say I cringe when wimborne fan starts.is there any need to be so rude to people?? We are all entitled to comment and debate.enough of the rudeness.
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Post by wimbornefan on Feb 27, 2022 16:05:54 GMT
I have to say I cringe when wimborne fan starts.is there any need to be so rude to people?? We are all entitled to comment and debate.enough of the rudeness. Im not being rude, I’m just stating a lot of what’s said on here isn’t based on facts, and when the board say they want stability and back the management with a better budget and infrastructure behind the team and club itself and then 4/5 people on here still keep on as if it’s going to change their minds. So again it’s pointless, either get behind the team and management or don’t and go elsewhere it’s simple. |
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Post by gemma on Feb 27, 2022 16:07:32 GMT
This is a forum. A place for opinions. Simply putting forward mine. You might think it pointless. That’s fine. Correct it is a forum and you can post what you want, The only people’s who’s options matter at the board and they are the one who’s decided to stick with the management So again I go back to my pointless comment about changing manager, the 5 of you on here that don’t want james here anymore, the other 340 that attend obviously don’t have a problem with it. It’s nice of you to decide/speak on their behalf. I think you will find that there is a growing number of fans that are discontented having chatted to lots of people on match days. Some people just simply don’t feel comfortable speaking out or writing on a forum, mainly due to people like yourself handing out insults. |
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Post by webster1 on Feb 27, 2022 16:08:10 GMT
This is a forum. A place for opinions. Simply putting forward mine. You might think it pointless. That’s fine. Correct it is a forum and you can post what you want, The only people’s who’s options matter at the board and they are the one who’s decided to stick with the management So again I go back to my pointless comment about changing manager, the 5 of you on here that don’t want james here anymore, the other 340 that attend obviously don’t have a problem with it. you are assuming the 340 are happy. I know for a fact that many are not, they just don't get involved in these discussions on this forum. Don't all moan when next season in the lower league that things don't improve. The mgt just can not motivate this team nor do the have the tactical clout to even put up a fight |
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Post by wimbornefan on Feb 27, 2022 16:23:14 GMT
Correct it is a forum and you can post what you want, The only people’s who’s options matter at the board and they are the one who’s decided to stick with the management So again I go back to my pointless comment about changing manager, the 5 of you on here that don’t want james here anymore, the other 340 that attend obviously don’t have a problem with it. you are assuming the 340 are happy. I know for a fact that many are not, they just don't get involved in these discussions on this forum. Don't all moan when next season in the lower league that things don't improve. The mgt just can not motivate this team nor do the have the tactical clout to even put up a fight Maybe they are maybe they aren’t happy, once it was announced I know many said to keep and James himself they are glad he’s staying on. So either supportive or 2faced. How do you know the management don’t have they tactical clout or can motivate the team? Can you put fight into someone who doesn’t have it?? Does the team have enough men/winners like the team we had that got promoted by default? James,Matty o,burbs, for instance all had fight on the pitch and that’s their character |
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Post by magpiesgraham on Feb 27, 2022 16:29:29 GMT
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