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Post by dorsetdave on Apr 21, 2024 18:23:43 GMT
I thought it might be useful for the club if fans who went to this game made their observations about the general organisation. I can't imagine anyone really anticipated 2,307 fans to turn up so we were in unknown territory. We did have the Torquay experience to draw on but this was on a different scale.
Do you think there should have been more elevated standing room ?, more seating for refreshments ?, Is it time for another stand. ? The clubhouse only holds about 290 I believe so are there any plans to accomodate more ? etc etc. Is it anticipated we will have this level of support if we get promotion ?
This is in no way a criticism of the club but I thought they may appreciate feedbank generally. What does everyone think?
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Post by minstermann on Apr 22, 2024 4:42:24 GMT
Do we know what the official capacity of the ground is ? Will we have to consider all-ticket in future for such occassions to avoid overcrowding ? The BoD have ambitions to be a National League side.That's the next step up from the SL Prem should we get promoted. Will the current stadium be able to cope with that ?
It was 5 deep round most of the home side of the ground. As far as facilities go [ e.g Toilets, Bar, Food & hot drinks, seating etc ] then there wasnt enough of these for the size of the crowd. Also luckily it didnt rain.
However the big question is , How many times a season could this situation arise.? Do you spend money on the Stadium if it's only going to happen a couple of times a season. If we get in the SL Prem will we cope with all the local Derby's and potentially large crowds such as Poole, Dorchester, Salisbury, AFC Totton, Sholing, and even Gosport. If we have segregation for these games then are the away sides fans going to be happy with their facilities.
Stewarding will have to be upgraded too if we are to clamp down on articles being thrown on the pitch A lot for the BoD to think about - all great problems to have though.
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Post by magpiesgraham on Apr 22, 2024 6:58:25 GMT
This is a great thread to have started - good idea, Dave. I think that the size of the crowd took everyone by surprise, a figure of 1200 - 1500 was probably expected, and that would have included the 5-600 Frome thought they'd bring. I travelled to and from the ground on the no.13 bus, there's stops both ways at the bottom of Parmiter Drive. And did you see that Poole had over 1000 on Saturday, so non-league appears to be thriving in this area. More thought needs to be given to facilities for those with mobility issues, it must have been a nightmare for them on Saturday. But what great problems for the BoD to have. And how good to see the young mascot with his dad, grandad and great grandad. Happy days.
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Post by newmagpie on Apr 22, 2024 7:48:57 GMT
Let's be honest here, no one expected a crowd of over 2300 on Saturday, early predictions were 1500ish, but what we did worked against Torquay in the FA Cup (circa 1800), so maybe the extra 500+ people tipped the balance. In fairness 500 people is a good crowd on its own in this league, so perhaps that's why there have been a few grumbles.
If we get promoted, and it isn't a done deal just yet, we will need to get used to much bigger crowds week in week out and rather than our average of circa 750, over 1000 may become the norm so the Torquay style arrangements may be needed every week, and then this enhanced with the potential "local" derbies.
Yes it costs more, but the vastly increased revenue should cover that, so in the interim maybe the Club could talk to Eastleigh, Weymouth and AFC Totton to find out what they do to cope when crowds exceed the norm!?
Maybe a stand along the dugout side of the ground is required with some elevation as per the main stand and increased temporary bar, burger and toilet facilities etc
Just a thought, but all hypothetical for now until we have hopefully clinched promotion.
#upthemagpies
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Post by keithelliott on Apr 22, 2024 8:11:40 GMT
for what its worth some of my observations,agreed 1500 was the highest estimate i heard so would like to congratulate everybody at the club for managing the extra numbers.re food and drink,think clubhouse has to stay as it is not sure how you regulate the nos,need to provide alternative methods of supplying alcohol in the ground which i believe they did,the food situation could be supplemented by renting 2 or 3 pitches by the entrance to mobile vendors,traditional burger van,pizza van,jkt spuds etc,income for the club and no work, there are bars on wheels also(used at motor sport events)Re the spectator viewing think we should worry about what we would need in the national league when we get there the cheapest and an effective way of improving the viewing would be concreted stepped terracing(maybe some covered)Minor point but 50-50 tkts should be sold at the entrances.re fan behavior no players should be subjected to anything being thrown towards them,would expect both clubs to receive some disciplinary response from the fa they have no choice,wtfc to receive the greater punishment.its in no way mitigation but i definitely didnt see any glass thrown it was empty plastic water bottles but no excuse.Would like to commend both goalies for not over reacting to the situation,particularly the frome goalie who i thought behaved exceptionally well(if it was a premier league match somebody would have gone down rolling around holding their head even if they hadnt been hit!!)re future control for big matches pay for a couple of bobbies one with a video camera perhaps.anyway hope themanager and players arent worrying about these things 3 points tues please please,cant go to sat needing a point a lot of us oldies will be needing extra heart medication!!
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Post by keithelliott on Apr 22, 2024 8:13:56 GMT
just made my post new magpie and see ive duplicated some of yours
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Post by coatsforgoalposts on Apr 22, 2024 8:14:06 GMT
Agree with what others have said.
Ideally, more covered and tiered standing (dug out side) and another seating stand plus extra loos and refreshment facilities.
However, I do wonder how often there will be crowds of 1,000 plus (let alone over 2,000). Saturday was a very special match. If we go up, much will depend on our league position; if we are doing well crowds will be good but I suspect a struggling team would attract smaller gates than this season's average (despite being in a higher division).
Guess the timing of any ground improvements will be down to how confident the BOD are of us continuing to progress.
In the meantime, I think Saturday was very well handled overall (especially given the attendance was considerably higher than even the most optimistic pre-match estimates).
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Post by newmagpie on Apr 22, 2024 8:59:13 GMT
just made my post new magpie and see ive duplicated some of yours Thanks Keith, I think we and many others are in agreement. No one expected the crowd we got so would also like to congratulate the club on how they dealt with things day. You are never going to please everyone, but think the day proved to be a success, even if we didn't get the result we wanted. 3 games now need to go in Frome's favour for us not to go up, so hopefully we get things done on Tuesday! With regards to throwing things onto the pitch, it only takes one idiot to ruin things, but as you say our supporter(s) threw a plastic cup / bottle which isn't going to hurt anyone and thankfully Frome were sensible enough not to make a fuss about it, so thanks go to them. That said I'm not condoning this, the idiot with the flare or the supporter who aimed his drink at Robbo when he was getting the ball out of the net. More stewards and police for these big games in future but we obviously need to find a balance as we may end up overspending to cater for the idiots, so let's try to find out who they are and ban them from coming to games.
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Post by yogi on Apr 22, 2024 9:05:36 GMT
My main concern from Saturday was once again the competency of the stewarding, I raised this issue on this forum after the Cribbs game
It was obvious to the majority of those present that the two "hotspots" for any disturbance to occur were behind the goals, and yet there were no stewards present in these areas until after the incidents.
The stewards were slow to respond to the flare being thrown and it should not be left to the goalkeeper to remove the flare from the pitch.
The response to the plastic bottles being thrown on to the pitch was non existent until the referee intervened and requested that stewards dealt with the situation, even then the response was slow and the stewards who did respond appeared reluctant to be first on scene.
The fact that the chairman felt it necessary to involve himself personally in the situation was embarrassing for the club.
It was interesting to see the amount of stewards that came onto the pitch at the end of the game..... they must have all been hiding in the main stand area during the game.
Voluntary or not being a steward is not a tick box exercise and free entry to watch the game, it is a position of responsibility where you must foresee where incidents have the potential to occur and react accordingly.
This is an area that requires attention before the start of the new season.
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Post by routeone on Apr 22, 2024 10:46:22 GMT
As has been said previously I think with regards to some of the points that have been made I think a lot of it comes down to how successful the club is on the pitch …. If we’re doing well in the league vying for promotion and having good cup runs and drawing big clubs at home then that will attract bigger numbers to certain games …. I don’t think anyone expected the number that were there Saturday but it also just goes to show the potential of the Club and should be seen as a massive positive …. All good problems to have!
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Post by welshwingwizard on Apr 22, 2024 13:41:58 GMT
This is a great thread.. I thought the organisation was excellent and given the crowd surpassed everyone's expectations ,hats off to everyone who managed this. Stewarding potential flashpoints is a must. I'm sure the club will have learnt tons. Another seating area would be a great idea. They're not that pricey off the shelf.
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Post by diddlysquat on Apr 22, 2024 17:54:02 GMT
This is a great thread.. I thought the organisation was excellent and given the crowd surpassed everyone's expectations ,hats off to everyone who managed this. Stewarding potential flashpoints is a must. I'm sure the club will have learnt tons. Another seating area would be a great idea. They're not that pricey off the shelf. The tarmacced area at the by-pass end, near to the lower entry gates where the away supporters come in, has always been allocated to have another 125 seat stand like the two we have already. This would be installed when gates rise in higher leagues. I should imagine though that it will be allocated as away fans seating, and the existing 2 stands for home fans.
It's true we will need more stepped elevated standing areas. The crowd around the pitch was 5 deep in places and those at the back found it hard to view the game.
If we ever get into the National League then there is going to be a major revamp of the ground needed
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Post by bezza on Apr 23, 2024 11:15:16 GMT
Good points made already. Saturdays was a one off day where a combination of potential club history being made, Bournemouth and saints not playing at home and the sunniest Saturday in about 8 months combined to lure in a monster crowd. Did we need to allocate frome so much space? Possibly their away support numbers were over estimated. Just to reiterate no-one should be throwing anything, plastic or otherwise. Anyone identified should have a life ban. I think stewart runs the stewarding now and no doubt a review will be carried out but it's a difficult one. The club still relies on the goodwill of volunteers and that includes stewarding. Would you want to wade into something and risk a slap when you're not getting paid? Perhaps for a big match we need to pay for 2-3 security people in future, e.g. Doormen, like that massive guy who kept the Poole lads in check two years ago...I dunno! Anyway overall it was an amazing day and these are simply growing pains as we move from what historically has been a village type club to something bigger. I just hope the family club feel doesn't get lost along the way...wimborne has always had a certain charm about it because all the regulars know each other....I think I know virtually every away day regular by name now for example.....
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