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Post by dorsetdave on Jun 9, 2022 8:41:32 GMT
The UK government is expected to place a ban on betting firms sponsoring football shirts. Article here The Southern League is sponsored by Pitching In. Many people don't realise that Pitching In , a Grassroots Sports Investment Programme launched by GVC [now Entain plc], is a front for a multi-national sports-betting and gaming group which owns Ladbrokes, Coral, Party Poker, bwin and Sportingbet.
The Southern League was previously sponsored directly by a betting firm, BetVictor, which caused a bit of a furore. Being now sponsored by Pitching In masks the fact its still a betting firm.
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Post by ash on Jun 9, 2022 16:26:36 GMT
If implemented, there are a lot of Prem and EFL clubs who will be looking for new shirt sponsors at a time when money is very tight.
This could be damaging for the Trident Leagues if they are forced to find a new sponsor at the same time.
Still, there are always drinks companies and fast food outlets who may want to get involved and surely, the Government could not have any objection to that.
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Post by Admin on Jun 25, 2022 21:19:18 GMT
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Post by stevewebber on Jul 1, 2022 21:01:59 GMT
There seems to be renewed interest in shirt sponsor again. Can those who are against such shirt sponsors hold their hands up and say that they did not view any of last season Championship games- ie Bournemouth who were competing in THE SKYBET CHAMPIONSHIP ?
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Post by dorsetdave on Jul 3, 2022 10:05:01 GMT
I think a lot of people object to gambling firms sponsoring football firms because of the way they operate. They are not pro-active enough collectively in spotting those punters who may be getting into trouble and letting it become an addiction, and all the misery to themselves and their families that causes. I have always believed that if you see a wrong or injustice and find it ethically wrong, that you should make your feelings known and try to do something about it. Apathy just leads us into more trouble. That is why I wrote to the Southern League when BetVictor became their sponsor. Incidentally the current SL sponsor , Pitching In, is in fact a gambling firm in disguise. They are part of a the multi-national sports-betting and gaming group which owns Ladbrokes and Coral. So I wrote to Liz Finney, AFCB supporter Liason Officer to express my views:- "" Dear Ms Finney As a supporter of many decades, and a season ticket holder for many years, I wish to express my dismay at the appointment of Defabet as the club's 'front of shirt' sponsor. I was even more surprised considering there is proposed gambling firm shirt ban included in a recent draft government white paper. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61532033I appreciate that clubs can probably be paid twice as much more from gambling firms as they would from an ethical company. However you have to look at the bigger picture and consider the dubious practices of gambling firms such as tax avoidance and their involvement in the misery they cause in inducing people to get into financial difficulty. The charity www.gamblingwithlives.org/ tells us that there are 400 plus suicides in the uk each year attributed to a gambling addiction. Also that probably 55,000 children in the uk are already addicted to gambling. The respected review site Trustpilot has 87% of Defabet reviews as one star. Many reviewers openly stating that they think the company is fraudulent and are scammers. Twenty football clubs have already written to the government asking for all advertising of gambling at clubs to be banned. I really thought that AFC Bournemouth had this kind of integrity and am sorry you have decided to chase the '30 pieces of silver' Yours truly " As a result I did have a phone call from Rob Mitchell who is the Commercial Director at AFCB to explain their decision. Basically it boils down to money and that they would be at a disadvantage financially if they didnt take the money. True to form the gambling firms, and other powerful bodies, are putting pressure on the Government not to go down the route outlined in the White Paper.
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Post by stevewebber on Jul 3, 2022 21:26:18 GMT
I asked Clive to close the bar this season because last year there was 9000 alcohol related deaths in the UK, he refused.
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Post by minstermann on Jul 4, 2022 10:20:35 GMT
I asked Clive to close the bar this season because last year there was 9000 alcohol related deaths in the UK, he refused. Steve - I'm sorry you are unable to see what Dave is getting at. I may be wrong but I don't believe there any Football Clubs sponsoring alchoholic drink firms on their shirts in England any more and just Celtic in Scotland.
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Post by mowerman on Jul 4, 2022 20:30:23 GMT
Minsterman lighten up… I for one got the sentiment of the original message.., I remember speaking with Graham at the Old Cuthbury… And Clive don’t close the bar… just allow dogs… 🤣🐶to accompany adults… did I mention that again….
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Post by dorsethammer on Jul 4, 2022 20:56:16 GMT
Minsterman lighten up… I for one got the sentiment of the original message.., I remember speaking with Graham at the Old Cuthbury… And Clive don’t close the bar… just allow dogs… 🤣🐶to accompany adults… did I mention that again…. I do believe well behaved dogs are now allowed to walk through the clubhouse (with their owners!) and partake in admiring the view of the pitch whilst their owners can get a coffee or a pint! Not yet on match days but hopefullly a step in the right direction.
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Post by mowerman on Jul 5, 2022 17:46:41 GMT
Thanks Dorset hammer… I’m currently in Covid isolation, but will certainly try that out soon.. (forgive this negative tongue in cheek comment) .. what a marketing opportunity for the Club to announce this to local non supporter dog walkers.. let alone supporters who walk dogs.. Be positive… small steps 😷
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Post by diddlysquat on Jul 6, 2022 11:33:21 GMT
Gambling suicides and the misery gambling causes in general is a serious issue within society.
Talking about Dogs in the clubhouse and ground is rather going off topic. However as its been mentioned then there are tables and chairs out the front which I understand Dog Walkers are able to use.
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Post by mowerman on Jul 6, 2022 12:19:01 GMT
Probably missing the point or the sentiment … and focussing on one element.. But that’s Forums for you… So no comment.
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Post by thereisnoplanb on Jul 6, 2022 17:36:58 GMT
I agree that there should be no front of shirt advertising on Football, or any other shirts. The gambling firms are totally without scruples and do their utmost to get people to continue, and start, gambling. Whatsmore if people start winning too much they will ban them - but the odds are stacked against the ordinary punter making money anyway. Further they are often based abroad in tax havens and don't pay their fair share. Dafabet is based in the Phillipines
Denise Coates, a british billionaire, is the founder of Bet365 and in 2020, she earned a salary of £422 million and dividends of £48 million. So one must assume all the Gambling firms must be earning vast amounts like this. According to Forbes she is worth $12 billion
My brother committed suicide 3 years ago after gambling debts ruined him. Nobody knew he was in trouble. He lost his house, job, wife and he had two children as well. He threw himself in front of a train. It was devestating for all his relatives and we are still grieving. We blame ourselves as we never guessed, except near the end when it all exploded. He hid it from everybody and borrowed as much money as he could. He had run up debts with all the major bookmakers. There seemed to be no way they didnt talk to each other to stop him doing this so he just amassed more and more debt hoping for the big one it seems. He borrowed money left, right and centre. Some people do not understand why people gamble to addiction but it is now recognised as an illness in its own right. Our family and our relatives now support the charity mentioned by DorsetDave in his post. It's important to recognise the signs of addiction and get help before it becomes fatal.
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Post by bezza on Jul 6, 2022 20:08:27 GMT
That's a powerful post and I'm sorry for your loss.
I totally agree about gambling and the big gambling firms. I've gone right off the likes of Ray Winston for advertising these firms on TV. They don't need the cash so in my view have sold their souls to the devil. Just my view.
I agree that excess alcohol causes deaths too, as does obesity and other diet related issues, but we don't ban food.
The point is, alcohol in moderation can have benefits. It's hard to see any benefit in gambling beyond making money for betting firms.
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Post by dorsethammer on Jul 7, 2022 18:38:48 GMT
Like Bezza I am really sorry for your loss thereisnoplanb. My thoughts are with you and your family We all face temptations from such things as gambling, smoking, drugs and alcohol. It’s interesting to hear in an earlier post that at least AFCB were honest enough to say that effectively they couldn’t turn down the money on offer by their sponsor. Maybe the clubs should be stronger but as we know money seems to be the big thing in football these days. There might be another view however that you should take their money and milk them dry (as much as is possible) im not sure a advert or shirt sponsorship would make someone have a bet. As an ex smoker no advert when I was young and started smoking made me smoke. It was more about who I was with and lifestyle. I never changed my brand either as a result of any advert. It’s another point of view and im happy not to have any sponsorship on any football shirt. Do these big clubs need the money. Probably not so wouldn’t it be nice if they said no! Was it Aston Villa that sponsored a hospice on their shirt ( or something similar) Football could start being the force for good if they are brave enough.
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