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Post by wimbornefan on Feb 22, 2022 13:00:26 GMT
Looking ahead to next season a little but who from the current squad would the fans like to see kept and who would everyone like to be brought in??
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Post by gemma on Feb 22, 2022 17:05:38 GMT
Hi there,
I think it probably depends which league we are in as to who we might be able to keep or get as I would expect the budget will be lower if we get relegated due to a lower crowd average as we’ll miss some of the bigger crowds from the local derby games. Also, some players may not be happy to drop down a division and may therefore look to move to other teams in our league?
Putting all that to one side, players I’d keep (and it’s just my personal opinion)
Gerard Benfield
Connal Morrison
Curtis Young
Louis Kellaway
Dan Bartlett (think he signed an 18 month contract?)
Jez Bedford
Harry Morgan - First player I’d sign up based on his performances this season.
Lewis Beale
Ben Scorey
However I can imagine that quite a few of them would receive offers from teams in our league and above in some cases.
I do think we need reinforcements in defence both at the current time and for next season, we’ve been unlucky with the injuries to Keaton Wood and Dan Strugnell.
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Post by wimbornefan on Feb 22, 2022 17:46:08 GMT
Going back to a previous thread on the forum I would suggest that the league doesn’t really matter if the money is right for the player.
I would agree with Gemma though on the players, they are the ones I had in mind to who we need to try and retain, although jez Bedford hasn’t exactly been brilliant but still a good player.
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Post by diddlysquat on Feb 22, 2022 22:22:55 GMT
Gemma has named 9 players we should keep. They are all good players individually in their own right. So why on earth are we in the position we are in. The players named have been regulars in the team so the question is are they good enough or not. Of course if they are good enough for step 3 there could be another reason and that is would another management team have been able to get them to play together differently as a team and to have been more successful. Would another management team been more sucessful with their tactics. Have they been trained competently. Has the discipline and confidence been right. If most of the players we have are good players then why are we in the relegation zone.  I don't pretend tp know the answers but in looking at the quality of the players we have it's surprising we havent won more games. Sometimes a team of better players arent as good as a team of average players who can gel together. I believe that's how Leicester won the Premier League. |
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Post by wimbornefan on Feb 22, 2022 22:31:16 GMT
Gemma has named 9 players we should keep. They are all good players individually in their own right. So why on earth are we in the position we are in. The players named have been regulars in the team so the question is are they good enough or not. Of course if they are good enough for step 3 there could be another reason and that is would another management team have been able to get them to play together differently as a team and to have been more successful. Would another management team been more sucessful with their tactics. Have they been trained competently. Has the discipline and confidence been right. If most of the players we have are good players then why are we in the relegation zone. I don't pretend tp know the answers but in looking at the quality of the players we have it's surprising we havent won more games. Sometimes a team of better players arent as good as a team of average players who can gel together. I believe that's how Leicester won the Premier League. Our problem this season has been defensively, of that list 2 are defenders ben scorey has been injured for 3 months, Gerrard has been with us for 3 games. So yes there’s nine players 1 has been injured and 1is a keeper, but they are midfielder and wide mainly, So I don’t think different management or training makes a difference when you look at that list |
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Post by apc on Feb 23, 2022 9:34:57 GMT
To add to Gemma's list, I would keep Struggs too, if he's back to fitness.
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Post by merleymagpie on Feb 23, 2022 16:49:54 GMT
Hi Wimborne fan I think you misunderstood my question. My point regarding spend was that not only do we have to offer more because of the lower league or being a less attractive proposition, we have to actually pay more than those teams mentioned in the first instance or take players that the teams deem not good enough.
If the budget was as low as mentioned, to go from that to actually having significantly more than those clubs, would seem to be quite a leap.
I'm also not sure its in the clubs best interests to be over paying players or offering them contracts that they wouldn't get elsewhere and subsequently being inhibited by such recruitment in the future.
Just my thoughts.
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Post by wimbornefan on Feb 23, 2022 17:11:18 GMT
Hi Wimborne fan I think you misunderstood my question. My point regarding spend was that not only do we have to offer more because of the lower league or being a less attractive proposition, we have to actually pay more than those teams mentioned in the first instance or take players that the teams deem not good enough. If the budget was as low as mentioned, to go from that to actually having significantly more than those clubs, would seem to be quite a leap. I'm also not sure its in the clubs best interests to be over paying players or offering them contracts that they wouldn't get elsewhere and subsequently being inhibited by such recruitment in the future. Just my thoughts. I get what your saying merely, I do not think we have to offer more because we’re in a lower league I’m saying if you offer players more regardless of leagues players will 99% of the time move for the more money. Regarding the budgets, it was reported it was very low for the league and next season it’s considerably more, that’s for the board to decide not you or I. If that’s the route they want to go down that’s their decision. |
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Post by merleymagpie on Feb 24, 2022 10:50:33 GMT
Wimbornefan I disagree I can't see on even playing field offering let's say conservatively offers £10 £20 a week more than team in the same local area is enough to lure them to a lower league especially the one we are looking at next season. The caveat is that these players couldn't get deals at those clubs or are surplus.
However as you have mentioned, this is were James comes into his own and proves what an asset he is, with a promotion challenging budget he demonstrates his ability to convince these players to sign for us and coach the best out of them. Up the Magpies.
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Post by wimbornefan on Feb 24, 2022 11:23:16 GMT
Wimbornefan I disagree I can't see on even playing field offering let's say conservatively offers £10 £20 a week more than team in the same local area is enough to lure them to a lower league especially the one we are looking at next season. The caveat is that these players couldn't get deals at those clubs or are surplus. However as you have mentioned, this is were James comes into his own and proves what an asset he is, with a promotion challenging budget he demonstrates his ability to convince these players to sign for us and coach the best out of them. Up the Magpies. So your saying if we offered player that went to totton in the summer £20 less than what totton were offering then they would come to us because we’re higher league, give over, 90% of players play somewhere for the money, why would players keep going tompoole over the years compared to dorch for instance, it’s certainly not for the facilities is it. |
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Post by jack on Feb 24, 2022 11:47:34 GMT
Merely,
Look at the past few years, we got like burbridge to drop down a league, same Griffin has dropped and travelling to totton from living in Bournemouth, Sam as when he was at blackfield, Franklyn Clarke went to blackfield from Wimborne/poolein a lower league, we’re these moves because of the standard of football or to line their pockets
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Post by merleymagpie on Feb 24, 2022 12:16:06 GMT
I don't know any of those examples you have mentioned. But I would suggest in each of those examples there is a determining factor to complement the higher wages, but as I said, James has demonstrated his pulling power so that's our selling point. So fingers crossed we will be ok.
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Post by jack on Feb 24, 2022 12:29:43 GMT
This is what I’m guessing wimbornefan was stating about players dropping leagues or changing clubs for the money and not the level, facilities or manager.
James has managed to attract some good players and hopefully with a better budget from the start he could get a competitive team together. I’m guessing he’s a well respected person on the non league circuit and should be able to get some players in
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Post by gemma on Feb 24, 2022 12:42:15 GMT
This is a good debate and one I’ve been reading with interest. With regards to whether players play for money or ambition, I think it probably depends on what stage they are at in their career. Maybe the younger players that have come from pro clubs might be more ambitious to work their way back up the league pyramids rather than a player who has played around this level for a while and then therefore might sign for a bit more money or for a manager they’ve played for before?
Another interesting point is that when I’ve questioned James’ ability to coach and motivate the squad this year, based on our league position. Much of the comeback has been that we haven’t got players of a level good enough to play in this league (partly due to budget) and now the comments are that James has excellent contacts and that most people agree that there are at least 8 or 9 players that we would like to keep for next season.
So if you now think that the large majority of the starting 11 are good enough for this division but don’t agree on my opinion as to why we have had such poor results this season then what do you think is the reason?
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Post by wimbornefan on Feb 24, 2022 12:56:28 GMT
This is a good debate and one I’ve been reading with interest. With regards to whether players play for money or ambition, I think it probably depends on what stage they are at in their career. Maybe the younger players that have come from pro clubs might be more ambitious to work their way back up the league pyramids rather than a player who has played around this level for a while and then therefore might sign for a bit more money or for a manager they’ve played for before? Another interesting point is that when I’ve questioned James’ ability to coach and motivate the squad this year, based on our league position. Much of the comeback has been that we haven’t got players of a level good enough to play in this league (partly due to budget) and now the comments are that James has excellent contacts and that most people agree that there are at least 8 or 9 players that we would like to keep for next season. So if you now think that the large majority of the starting 11 are good enough for this division but don’t agree on my opinion as to why we have had such poor results this season then what do you think is the reason? Good points about players at what stage of their careers play for money or footballing reasons, Regarding your list of 9 players, yes most have been starters, Gerrard has come back recently so only played about 3/4 games Ben scorey has been injured for 3monthsnor so Connal had what 6/7 weeks injured Louis Kellaway only been back half the season and misse d4/5 with work Dan Bartlett is class Harry Morgan been best player Jez Bedford been okay Curtis has had a good season Lewis Beale done well. Of this players 1 keeper who’s only recently back, 2 defenders who have both had longish injuries and then midfield and forwards How old is the age of this 9? Mostly 22 and under only Morgan and Louis a bit older I think. Would these 8/9 be starters if we had more money at the season start date or be squad players for better players??? |
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