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Post by jack on Jan 19, 2022 14:56:09 GMT
From what I’ve seen this season of Wimborne, you have since the new board come in made 3 permanent signings. Barts bos and Gerrard, Gerrard has only just arrived.
After that it is the same squad that was loosing earlier in the season, the new board have only overseen about 5 games 1 draw 1 win and 3 losses according to the league form table. Change of fortunes doesn’t happen immediately, look at Newcastle.
Watching the Taunton highlights and as Dorset hammer said probably in their favour as it’s their highlights, if Billy made more of that tackle and clears the ball it’s a 1-1 draw.
How do you want the manager to be on the interview after they have lost, I’m surprised after they way you go for him he’s even coming out to do them anymore.
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Post by welshwingwizard on Jan 19, 2022 16:18:05 GMT
Pretty sure only two go down this season? Would be good if somebody could confirm. Tivvy is a big game .we have Farnborough away after that I think. If it is just two then it is achievable. Its a question of do we want to struggle in this league or do well in the one below?
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Post by dorsethammer on Jan 19, 2022 17:12:58 GMT
Pretty sure only two go down this season? Would be good if somebody could confirm. Tivvy is a big game .we have Farnborough away after that I think. If it is just two then it is achievable. Its a question of do we want to struggle in this league or do well in the one below? There are 4 leagues and 9 relegation spots. This means all 4 leagues (Northern Premier, Southern Premier Central, Isthmian Premier and our league) will have 2 automatic relegation spots and one league will have 3 relegation spots. This will be decided on the worst points per game (PPG) record of the teams in the 3rd bottom position of all the leagues. We are in striking distance (Wimborne P23 - 11 pts) of Merthyr (P25 - 12 pts), with Kings Langley next (P28 - pts 19), then comes Dorch (P27 - 23 pts) followed by Hartley Wintney (P25 - pts 25) With a fair wind, a bit of luck 3rd from bottom is a reasonable ask. If so it would come down to PPG . We are currently on 0.478 The current third bottom in the Isthmian Premier is on 0.826 (P23 - 19pts) If they continued this form they would end up on 35pts. We would therefore need 36 points to be ahead of them (assuming we can get to 3rd from bottom) If this was to pan out we would therefore need 24 points from our last 19 games or as someone else mentioned at least 8 wins. I think this would be a minimum ask and probably we should be looking to get to as close to 40 points to survive. Not impossible but ................ Saturday is huge given Tiverton's form |
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Post by merleymagpie on Jan 19, 2022 18:25:08 GMT
Pretty sure only two go down this season? Would be good if somebody could confirm. Tivvy is a big game .we have Farnborough away after that I think. If it is just two then it is achievable. Its a question of do we want to struggle in this league or do well in the one below? Welsh wizard as I mentioned earlier I would take for granted any success in the league below. Let's not forget we got promoted by default and seeing the consensus is success and failure of management is purely dictated by budget then given we may not even be in the top 4 or 5 of budgets next season I say we would need recalibrate our expectations. |
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Post by wimbornefan on Jan 19, 2022 18:31:54 GMT
Pretty sure only two go down this season? Would be good if somebody could confirm. Tivvy is a big game .we have Farnborough away after that I think. If it is just two then it is achievable. Its a question of do we want to struggle in this league or do well in the one below? Welsh wizard as I mentioned earlier I would take for granted any success in the league below. Let's not forget we got promoted by default and seeing the consensus is success and failure of management is purely dictated by budget then given we may not even be in the top 4 or 5 of budgets next season I say we would need recalibrate our expectations. It’s not all about budget merely but it is a massive part of it. The club got promoted with a decent budget and via default so are lucky to be in this league. The budget and availability of player level didn’t fit for this league at the start of the season. Is it the tactics/motivation of players/player recruitment? What is it you don’t think James has to be a success at the club? Where you happy with his management of the club last season? I’d like to hear Most people’s thoughts on this question also |
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Post by merleymagpie on Jan 20, 2022 17:33:09 GMT
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It’s not all about budget merely but it is a massive part of it. The club got promoted with a decent budget and via default so are lucky to be in this league. The budget and availability of player level didn’t fit for this league at the start of the season.
Is it the tactics/motivation of players/player recruitment? What is it you don’t think James has to be a success at the club? Where you happy with his management of the club last season? I’d like to hear Most people’s thoughts on this question also [/quote]
As I said Wimborne fan this topic maybe isn't appropriate on this thread as I don't feel losing on Tuesday should have any affect on managers postion, it's clearly another blemish on his record but not a cause for action.
In answer to your question and I will try and be as brief as possible.
Put simply his job this season was to stay up however he does that, be it tactics, recruitment, coaching, motivation, or even hypnosis that was the job, furthermore he was aware of tools he had in order to achieve that and he still came back this year took on the job and backed himself to succeed. Rightly so.
As the season progressed and it seemed the job at hand was possibly insurmountable we were provided with an extensive list of caveats to mitigate performances and more importantly results. Since then the tool kit has been expanded but unfortunately in all aspects we are still in the same position as before.
So nothing personal, its just for me, hes had a job to do, he is clearly falling short of the job spec and in doing so severely impacting the the clubs status and reputation. So based on the above I advocate someone else outthere whoever they may well be, can do a better a job than is currently being done and may deserve the same opportunity that was handed to James to do the job at hand.
However given the magnitude of the game on Saturday and the opposition I do think the team will pull together and we will win. And I sincerely hope its the start of all the talent, ability knowledge and nouse that you believe James possesses that we havent seen to date, coming to fore and helping us mount a run of form that helps us stay up and ultimatly proves me wrong.
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Post by thereisnoplanb on Jan 20, 2022 19:05:10 GMT
I should imagine the most sensible venue for the Final would be New Cuthbury. Sending the two local teams {Poole and Hamworthy} over to Dorchester or Weymouth would be silly - especially as Dorch and the Terras opted out of the competition.
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Post by wimbornefan on Jan 20, 2022 23:31:56 GMT
It’s not all about budget merely but it is a massive part of it. The club got promoted with a decent budget and via default so are lucky to be in this league. The budget and availability of player level didn’t fit for this league at the start of the season. Is it the tactics/motivation of players/player recruitment? What is it you don’t think James has to be a success at the club? Where you happy with his management of the club last season? I’d like to hear Most people’s thoughts on this question also [/quote] As I said Wimborne fan this topic maybe isn't appropriate on this thread as I don't feel losing on Tuesday should have any affect on managers postion, it's clearly another blemish on his record but not a cause for action. In answer to your question and I will try and be as brief as possible. Put simply his job this season was to stay up however he does that, be it tactics, recruitment, coaching, motivation, or even hypnosis that was the job, furthermore he was aware of tools he had in order to achieve that and he still came back this year took on the job and backed himself to succeed. Rightly so. As the season progressed and it seemed the job at hand was possibly insurmountable we were provided with an extensive list of caveats to mitigate performances and more importantly results. Since then the tool kit has been expanded but unfortunately in all aspects we are still in the same position as before. So nothing personal, its just for me, hes had a job to do, he is clearly falling short of the job spec and in doing so severely impacting the the clubs status and reputation. So based on the above I advocate someone else outthere whoever they may well be, can do a better a job than is currently being done and may deserve the same opportunity that was handed to James to do the job at hand. However given the magnitude of the game on Saturday and the opposition I do think the team will pull together and we will win. And I sincerely hope its the start of all the talent, ability knowledge and nouse that you believe James possesses that we havent seen to date, coming to fore and helping us mount a run of form that helps us stay up and ultimatly proves me wrong. [/quote] Thank you for your opinions on the questions I asked, you didn’t mention anything on the question about James performance on last season. I only ask this as the board have said the budget last year was more competitive and therefor gave James with his ability or lack of it however you see it a fighting chance and I think he did that, this year with a budget that wasn’t competitive the team has struggled, again James coaching ability or players just not good enough?? With the budget increase from the new board, my thoughts are that performances are better and more points picked up in that 6 weeks than all the weeks before so surly a upturn however small, also how easy do you think it is to get better players in during the season? Do you think anyone else could do a better jobs with the budget that was available at the start of the season? James took it on last season with that budget after danny said it wasn’t enough to work with. Is the grass allways greener on the other side if we made a change? |
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Post by merleymagpie on Jan 21, 2022 15:04:00 GMT
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Sorry in relation to last year, I would say he did enough to warrant having the opportunity this year, but I would steer clear of making definitive assessments based on a season that did not finish and a league where its been suggested in several quarters many assumed would not be completed. I would also say that irrespective of the above, the teams results although better than currently doesn't suggest this season is an anamoly or false reflection of his ability.
In terms of recruitment, I dont imagine it would be easy, but I'm not sure it ever is, especially being in an area where there are so many clubs in the area, but that is the managers job and part and parcel of his job. I don't for one moment think management is easy, its not supposed to be. But as I've said many times before, it's not amatuer football or youth football and James is paid to do a job and all it entails and ultimately is judged as is everyone who has a position of management on the results he produces. It may not be fair and he may well be a great manager but at the moment I'm sure even you would agree results are poor and there is not a lot to suggest he is capable of succeeding at the task at hand. I want to steer clear of basing my opinion on tactics, performances, discipline, set pieces because its all subjective and things im not an expert on, but what is fact is our results and league position are the worst in the league and I feel like others, if for no other reason than that a change needs to be made.
Clubs in similar positions across the board have made changes, not because their manager is bad or a horrible person but because they are striving to improve there current situation.
We have been led to believe that the new board have ambitions and are striving to be successful, however I just cannot help but be dubious of their intentions if they are willing to let the current situation continue on the basis of letting James have a fair go, at the clear expense of the clubs status.
If its a four year plan they have then in the best case scenario we will spend half of it trying to get back to where we currently are. I just cant get on board with that.
And finally in terms of do I think someone can do better? Absolutely without question yes, we are bottom and with the greatest respect you can't get much worse than the current situation so I do believe others could do better at this point and could have done better from the start of the season.
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Post by wimbornefan on Jan 21, 2022 16:08:19 GMT
Wimbornefan Sorry in relation to last year, I would say he did enough to warrant having the opportunity this year, but I would steer clear of making definitive assessments based on a season that did not finish and a league where its been suggested in several quarters many assumed would not be completed. I would also say that irrespective of the above, the teams results although better than currently doesn't suggest this season is an anamoly or false reflection of his ability. In terms of recruitment, I dont imagine it would be easy, but I'm not sure it ever is, especially being in an area where there are so many clubs in the area, but that is the managers job and part and parcel of his job. I don't for one moment think management is easy, its not supposed to be. But as I've said many times before, it's not amatuer football or youth football and James is paid to do a job and all it entails and ultimately is judged as is everyone who has a position of management on the results he produces. It may not be fair and he may well be a great manager but at the moment I'm sure even you would agree results are poor and there is not a lot to suggest he is capable of succeeding at the task at hand. I want to steer clear of basing my opinion on tactics, performances, discipline, set pieces because its all subjective and things im not an expert on, but what is fact is our results and league position are the worst in the league and I feel like others, if for no other reason than that a change needs to be made. Clubs in similar positions across the board have made changes, not because their manager is bad or a horrible person but because they are striving to improve there current situation. We have been led to believe that the new board have ambitions and are striving to be successful, however I just cannot help but be dubious of their intentions if they are willing to let the current situation continue on the basis of letting James have a fair go, at the clear expense of the clubs status. If its a four year plan they have then in the best case scenario we will spend half of it trying to get back to where we currently are. I just cant get on board with that. And finally in terms of do I think someone can do better? Absolutely without question yes, we are bottom and with the greatest respect you can't get much worse than the current situation so I do believe others could do better at this point and could have done better from the start of the season. I think your assessment of last season is a little harsh, regardless of if the season was going to finish or not we had to turn up and play each game that was given to the team, had they been too would you have said the same? Of course management isn’t easy and as you say is getting results havnt been good enough but have improved I feel, and getting players at any stage easy, but surely with a better budget at the start of season or even next season it must be easier to attract players if the money is closer to what other clubs in our area are offering. Also you say he’s done enough to have another chance but that another manager would have done better, a little contradictory I think and can you prove someone else in charge wouldn’t be in the same position given the finances available, Merthyr and kings Langley were the only two clubs close to our apparent budget at the start of the season from what we were told at the fans forum and the just above us so it must go a long way to doing well or not well in the league |
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Post by silver on Jan 21, 2022 16:39:19 GMT
Wimbornefan Sorry in relation to last year, I would say he did enough to warrant having the opportunity this year, but I would steer clear of making definitive assessments based on a season that did not finish and a league where its been suggested in several quarters many assumed would not be completed. I would also say that irrespective of the above, the teams results although better than currently doesn't suggest this season is an anamoly or false reflection of his ability. In terms of recruitment, I dont imagine it would be easy, but I'm not sure it ever is, especially being in an area where there are so many clubs in the area, but that is the managers job and part and parcel of his job. I don't for one moment think management is easy, its not supposed to be. But as I've said many times before, it's not amatuer football or youth football and James is paid to do a job and all it entails and ultimately is judged as is everyone who has a position of management on the results he produces. It may not be fair and he may well be a great manager but at the moment I'm sure even you would agree results are poor and there is not a lot to suggest he is capable of succeeding at the task at hand. I want to steer clear of basing my opinion on tactics, performances, discipline, set pieces because its all subjective and things im not an expert on, but what is fact is our results and league position are the worst in the league and I feel like others, if for no other reason than that a change needs to be made. Clubs in similar positions across the board have made changes, not because their manager is bad or a horrible person but because they are striving to improve there current situation. We have been led to believe that the new board have ambitions and are striving to be successful, however I just cannot help but be dubious of their intentions if they are willing to let the current situation continue on the basis of letting James have a fair go, at the clear expense of the clubs status. If its a four year plan they have then in the best case scenario we will spend half of it trying to get back to where we currently are. I just cant get on board with that. And finally in terms of do I think someone can do better? Absolutely without question yes, we are bottom and with the greatest respect you can't get much worse than the current situation so I do believe others could do better at this point and could have done better from the start of the season. I think your assessment of last season is a little harsh, regardless of if the season was going to finish or not we had to turn up and play each game that was given to the team, had they been too would you have said the same? Of course management isn’t easy and as you say is getting results havnt been good enough but have improved I feel, and getting players at any stage easy, but surely with a better budget at the start of season or even next season it must be easier to attract players if the money is closer to what other clubs in our area are offering. Also you say he’s done enough to have another chance but that another manager would have done better, a little contradictory I think and can you prove someone else in charge wouldn’t be in the same position given the finances available, Merthyr and kings Langley were the only two clubs close to our apparent budget at the start of the season from what we were told at the fans forum and the just above us so it must go a long way to doing well or not well in the league This point about budgets has always intrigued me. How does anybody know who pays what? There is no published table that I have seen showing wage scales. Yes, you can see teams who have signed good players but there is never a mention of wages or bonuses. How does anybody know what, say Yate, Swindon or Hendon pay their players? One can guess, speculate and hear rumours but until a list is published (yeah right!) it must surely be a matter of conjecture. I do not think for a second Farnborough have the highest budget, Met Police second highest, Hayes third and us the lowest, life is not like that. |
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