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Post by dorsetdave on Jul 5, 2024 11:18:15 GMT
Graham has been busy again with interviews with Matty Burrows and Drew Eccott-Young , plus hardworking club secretary Paula Wheatley, including details of when the fixtures should come out.
You neednt sign into Facebook, but when you click on the link below and if the log in page comes up, just click on the x to get rid of it.
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Post by minstermann on Jul 6, 2024 12:27:55 GMT
Did I hear right that both ecott-young and matty burrows are full time.? So what do they do when the other lads are at work ? Is this a first for the club to have full time players. Are there full time players at other clubs in our league. I believe many are at National League South/North. This must be a costly arrangement unless we are giving them a job to do other than football ?
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Post by magpiesgraham on Jul 6, 2024 14:54:10 GMT
Your hearing was good, but my choice of words wasn't!
What I meant to say was that they were permanent signings as opposed to being on loan. So, no, they're not full-time players.
My apologies for any confusion caused.
Thanks for looking at the interviews. I don't know of another club at our level which posts as many on its website, and whose players are as co-operative.
Club officials too - look out for one with Brad Patterson, our new Head of Community.
Graham
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Post by Barry Channon on Jul 6, 2024 15:09:16 GMT
Your hearing was good, but my choice of words wasn't! What I meant to say was that they were permanent signings as opposed to being on loan. So, no, they're not full-time players. My apologies for any confusion caused. Thanks for looking at the interviews. I don't know of another club at our level which posts as many on its website, and whose players are as co-operative. Club officials too - look out for one with Brad Patterson, our new Head of Community. Graham Have you been able to load your Jimmy Glass interview on the Chat ? |
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Post by Barry Channon on Jul 6, 2024 15:35:54 GMT
Sorry didn’t realise it was at the beginning of the attached interview 👍
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Post by thereisnoplanb on Jul 6, 2024 18:11:42 GMT
Interesting to hear Jimmy Glass's interview. Big Plans afoot then. The expression - trying to run before you can walk - comes to mind. The idea of a 'pathway' to the first team from the reserves [ aka Christchurch FC] has always been 'pie in the sky' to me. If you get a young player who looks promising then what's to keep him at the club. I believe at this level there is no such thing as wonderkids. They get snapped up by bigger clubs anyway early on. Contracts in non-league are a minefield. Jimmy mentioned that if Tim needed a right back he may know there is a decent right back playing for the Reserves. What !, 2 levels below and he hasnt signed for a league higher before. You can't expect decent players to stay in the Reserves/Christchurch just in case they might play in the First team.
Jimmy also mentioned improving facilities. Well the club made a faux pas getting rid of a decent facility in the Bike Park. They now have to spend money to re-locate and re-instate it.
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Post by keithelliott on Jul 7, 2024 7:33:12 GMT
Good post " no plan" nothing against the christchurch arrangement but it really is neither here nor there
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Post by bezza on Jul 7, 2024 10:38:19 GMT
Actually the plan makes plenty of sense. The WTFC reserves wanted promotion from DPL but the Wessex league don't want reserve sides playing in their league. So it was either stay in the DPL (4 levels below) or something different like the Christchurch tie up (only 2_levels below). So to answer "there is no plan b" actually on this matter there is a plan b.😃
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Post by gemma on Jul 7, 2024 13:38:47 GMT
Not to mention that many very good current and ex players came from the Wessex league.
Jack Lovell, Gerard Benfield, Stefan Penny, Sam Jackson, Billy Walker to name just a mere few.
To coin an old phrase, there are 2 ways to skin a cat. Young players coming up through the leagues having experienced mens football after their youth league as well as players coming from pro clubs like Jez Bedford, Lewis Beale, Ben Scorey
…. Not to mention that Harry Cornick began at Christchurch before playing for AFC Bournemouth, Luton Town and currently Bristol City
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Post by keithelliott on Jul 7, 2024 14:42:33 GMT
Your post gemma does illustrate in a way " no plans" point,an extremely talented 18yr old like cornick playing for christchurch in the wessex will be picked up by league club not wimborne,when afcb then loaned him out it was to conference so again not wimborne.the christchurch arrangement is fine and has some obvious advantages but let's all be realistic about the possible gains
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Post by thereisnoplanb on Jul 7, 2024 19:31:10 GMT
Ah! so that was the real agenda - to get the reserves playing in the Wessex. Just as a matter of interest what has happened to the Christchurch team thgt played in the wessex last year.?
Are the club trying to find another Jamie Vardy or Charlie Austin and make a bit of money. What about Harry Rodda. He was playing for our under 16's when he took up a schoilarship at Chelsea. Presumably a lot of time and effort went into developing him into the player Chelsea 'signed'. Lads like that arent going to finish up in our first team - not at this level anyway. Do we get any remuneration if he does make it into the pro ranks?
Are the club really putting in a lot of time, effort and money into developing players for our first team, when its so easy with the contract situation at non league, that they can easily be snapped up by other clubs. Look at the mass exodus of players that went to Shaftesbury for instance. So perhaps the club are hoping for a financial windfall from their investment in developing players. Our Reserves/Development squad have been in operation for some years now but how many of the current first team squad came through that way. Even Will Fletcher moved around first.
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Post by Jumpers for goalposts on Jul 8, 2024 7:17:49 GMT
I wonder about the financial sense of youth set ups for many clubs. Even at the top level, AFC Bournemouth have produced barely any players for the first team since they rose up the divisions. There were no starting appearances in the league last season by players who started with the club and only six starts by players who made their debut there (the last three players to break through came from other clubs youth set ups towards the end of their youth contracts).
Very few have come through at Wimborne but I guess this is an argument in favour of trying something different (like the shake up involving Christchurch). It would be great to get some young players coming through but, with the contract situation at our level, there will only be a small window for that to happen (between them being good enough and before they get snapped up by another club). Being realistic, we will never keep those as good as Harry Cornick (or Jody Cradock) but there must be the chance of bringing through players who can do a job at our level.
Clearly another benefit of the Christchurch link is the chance for those on the edge of the squad to get games at a good level (particularly when getting over an injury). Without the Christchurch link an injured first teamer would be looking at playing four levels lower to get game time as they neared their come back.
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Post by newmagpie on Jul 8, 2024 10:13:34 GMT
The discussion about academies and development sides is a very interesting one, and AFCB is a good starting point. Historically they did bring players through when they were in the lower leagues, but now they are in the Premiership they go and buy ready made players. Therefore very few players actually come through to the 1st Team except for appearances on the bench or for 5 minutes at the end of a game towards the end of the season. Hopefully this might change now as they are Cat 2, but it certainly isn't going to happen over night.
From a Wimborne Town perspective I can see what they are trying to do, bringing the reserves / development players closer to the level of the first team. As good as some of the young players are (Sonny and George etc), are the management going to bring them in to play in an emergency in a Southern Prem game? Yes they have been excellent in the DPL, but can they play for a start at Wessex League level, which would be 2 leagues beneath the 1st Team - the only way to find out is to play them and see? If they can, that would obviously make it easier for the management to not only bring them into the squad but also to have the confidence to play them
Again, using AFCB as an example, how many of their young players, who have come on loan, would cope in the Southern Prem? I'm not including keepers in this, but other than perhaps Stuttle, I am not sure any of the loan players have coped that well against the men's teams they faced, they are all technically very good, but they don't cope so well with the pace and physicality required at this level, so how are the young Wimborne players expected to cope? This is why, in my view, they need experience with men's football in the Wessex League first.
I can totally see what they are trying to do, and agree that in the long term, this is going to help to strengthen Wimborne Town as a club and as a team
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Post by keithelliott on Jul 8, 2024 15:58:56 GMT
as the clubs are "two separate entities" im assuming christchurch board could sack the manager if they wanted and appoint a replacement,also how will it work regarding players wages and expenses as we all know some wessex players are on decent money some not a lot or even nothing only decent expenses  |
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Post by newmagpie on Jul 9, 2024 11:18:52 GMT
I'm sorry if I'm missing something here, but what is the fascination about who is doing what at Christchurch, who is being paid what etc - it has been explained that we are separate clubs with a link meaning players can be dual signed.
That is no different to any other player being dual signed, so this is surely something between the management of both clubs, the players and each league committee and their rules, and if we are doing nothing wrong, as confirmed by JG, why do we need to know the details?
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